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boomer derpina

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani sounds good.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani clarendon never took testosterone, so the issue of fairness never came up. that makes sense to me. by the same logic, enes and royce could both socially transition and self-ID while playing in the nba and there wouldn’t be any fairness issues.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani i don’t think you know as much as you think you do about their stances

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani i’m not saying “more of a trans woman.” i’m saying “more eligible for fair play in women’s basketball.” you’re treating those two as the same because differentiating beyond that gets too complicated for you.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani but you said yourself: according to trans people, they are already trans by self-identifying. if i say i’m trans, then i am.

it seems straightforward to me that you don’t have to meet the requirements of a sports league to be considered transgender. just if you want to play.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani why did we do a blanket ban on trans women in the women’s divisions of NCAA? or the Olympics? there were already medical transition requirements, and LGBT groups were happy with it that way. trans people seem fine with some amount of medical gatekeeping in sports.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani yeah, there seem to be some inconsistencies in how the wnba, its players, and its coaches talk about this issue. hopefully this meeting will fix that.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani a person being “more eligible to play this sport” is not therefore “more transgender.” why would that be the case?

no different in society than in sports? who says that? there are obviously differences.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani i don’t think “gender is a social construct” contradicts the existence of a gendered sports league. basketball itself is a social construct, but we still care about the rules.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani i haven’t seen a lot of LGBT people saying that you should be allowed to self-ID yourself into a gold medal the day of. i’m sure there are some crazies out there, but most advocacy i’ve seen argues for medical standards of selective trans inclusion.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani you’re doing the same conflation again.

1. a trans woman doesn’t need to medically transition to be considered a trans woman
2. a trans woman should medically transition to play in professional women’s sports

do these two statements contradict to you?

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani yeah, some people will be offended. who cares? definining a clear policy that can’t be abused is worth offending some people online. i’m surprised the WBNA hadn’t already addressed this issue.

what is a social construct?

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@TheMeekHearted @BrooklynGroyper @ZeroSuitDani if you don’t want to defend your ideas, just say so.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani it makes sense to have different rules for different institutions. how much testosterone is in your system and for how long directly influences athletic ability.

i would consider such a person “a transgender woman who is not eligible for professional women’s sports”

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani WBNA provides no definition woman. it sounds like they’re going to change that, so that this confusion doesn’t come up again. whether that definition is going to be “no trans women allowed” or “trans women can play if they meet certain medical standards” remains to be seen.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani OP seems consistent when it comes to fairness in sports: “white should have to meet a predefined standard of medical transition before being considered for the WNBA.”

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani you didn’t see my reply?

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani again, you’re conflating “gender” with “eligibility to play pro sports.” OP is not doing that, so your argument doesn’t make sense here.

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@BrooklynGroyper @TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani there’s a distinction between “is a transgender person” and “is eligible for competition within a specific gendered league,” obviously. your logic is missing a step.

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@TheMeekHearted @ZeroSuitDani what is OP saying that she hasn’t realized?