@Rjaecker Shuttle did not have this capability. Its payload capacity was therefore 1/3 of Energias and less than Energia + Buran too as shuttle had to carry the deadweight of the RS-25’s after external fuel tank was jettisoned.
@Rjaecker The launch system was entirely independent so that it could carry additional payloads (up to 100t to LEO) other than the orbiter. It was a feature, not a bug.
Highly recommend the book “Energia-Buran” by Bart Hendrickx and Bert Vis if you really want to learn about the vehicle
If it’s wasted budget you’re worried about, you’d be far better off targeting the military industrial complex with your complaints. We spend less than 0.3% of our national budget on NASA, and only a portion of that is for human spaceflight. We’re spending $916 billion on the military this year (greater than the next 10 nations combined) and we’re not even at war… why are you going after space?
@apikijaan @rookisaacman It’s not a zero sum game. You could argue this for literally any field of research & more. Why not pause all funding for the arts and literature? They’re not directly solving earths problems? What about all non-climate related physical sciences?
@GaryMarcus@ylecun@AIatMeta Will granting drivers licenses grant widespread access to death agents? In 2021 alone, road injuries accounted for 1.35 million deaths globally.
What about cigarettes? Cigarettes kill 8 million people a year, including 1.3 million non-smokers exposed to second-hand smoke…
@NPCollapse Holding back tech progress b/c of a threat that hasnt been experimentally proven to be real yet seems like a very bad idea to me. I don’t see how AI doomerism is any different than all the other apocalyptic predictions that cropped up as a result of tech advancements in the past.
@galopujacy_jez@peterrhague Also Chertok hadnt made a single other controversial claim in his memoirs. In fact, he spent more time on their failures as that wasn’t publicized before. He must have a reason for implying it was cheaper here.
@galopujacy_jez@peterrhague shuttle & just submitted the one that confirmed the militarys POV. This is also confirmed by Chertok in Rockets and People Vol 4 (as you can see in the image above).
@peterrhague I read “It cost more to insert payloads into space using the reusable system [space shuttle] than using expendable launch vehicles. That's where we beat out the Americans” as him saying that they were able to achieve a decrease in cost over expendable vehicles, no?
@peterrhague Chertoks memoirs are considered the most in-depth & reliable primary sources on the USSR’s space program & personally I found it notable for how much of his memoir he dedicated to discussing failures rather than successors. I dont think I saw a single other hot take in his books
@peterrhague So I finally had time to pick up and finish Vol 4 of Rockets and People by Boris Chertok and stumbled upon this part where he briefly touched upon Buran + Energia. He says they were able to make Buran + Energia cheaper than expendable systems… do you know if that’s true?
@peterrhague But thats not anonymity. Not to spark up a discussion on Canada’s freedom protests but merely to point to an example, after Canada invoked the Emergencies Act, it was able to require crowd source websites to hand over information on people to Canadas financial intelligence agency