@kirovkate Do you think it's fair to make quality journalism inaccessible to people who can't afford a paywall? Paywalls aren't the answer. Educating people that advertising pays for their content is. #savethefreepress
@Freeyourmindkid Got stopped in the airport and screened for bomb making residue. The test came back positive and they just asked if Iβd filled my car up recently and sent me on my way #mywhiteprivilege
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Exactly. So rather than arguing, I promise you that next time I see a man who is struggling with mental health, I will reach out to him. I hope that next time someone makes a rape joke in front of you or jokes about a woman they're sleeping with, you'll do the right thing too.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 What are we even arguing about here? We agree that men need to stop raping women and that some women rape men. π€·ββοΈA girl was followed home, raped and murdered in Melbourne where I live yesterday - really feels like we should give our energy to that rather than arguing about stats
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 I was raped in 2011 and the perpetrator served 3.5 years. Are male teachers in the same situation getting longer sentences? Otherwise that evidence isn't meaningful.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 I mean Brock Turner would be a good example to dispute that. Do you have stats to support your (implied) arguments there? We've already agreed females raping men happens less often so not sure what the argument is here.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Not sure the point you're trying to make with this? This just backs up my argument that rapists look like normal people? I have never said that women don't rape and I agree that female teachers taking advantage of students is a bad thing.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Yea so they probably need some education too - acknowledging one problem doesn't mean we have to ignore all of the other ones
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Ah I mean thats a whole other argument we could go down (should advertisers take a stand point on social issues?) Personally I think it would have landed better with their audience if they focused more on the problems toxic masculinity causes men & boys
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 I think the problem is that if 1 in 5 women and 1 in 17 men are being raped/sexually assault, that is not a small proportion of men. That is millions. Rapists look like normal people unfortunately.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 So perhaps rather than being offended by being "targeted" or "victimised' by an ad, a better approach is to consider how we can tackle this rape culture (that adversely affects both men and women) and raise future boys to be the kind of men who don't rape (eg the point of the ad)
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Where I think we disagree is whether there needs to be social statements by companies such as gillette to try and tackle this problem. You believe that all men know this is wrong, and yet all the stats offered by both sides of the argument show that many men don't know this.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 All round, I think we're in agreement that there is something wrong in our culture that leads men to rape more and when raped themselves, feel unable to speak out about it. I agree with you that traditional definitions of rape are problematic for the male experience.
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Their study also talks at length about how gender stereotypes (eg toxic masculinity) is likely what has led to men feeling unable to report rape - again something that the gillette ad is looking to tackle. Full report here if you havent read it: https://t.co/lBuajQ0IB1
@KohlmanSweeny @canuckwitnoluck @Surrey_Atheist@fabian_nomad @Xander_MacIver @mama_fortuna @fe4paladin @BaileyBrimfield @337pratt @steph93065 Thanks - I've had a read through - one of the major studies cited by the Stemple and Meyer actually backs up the 1 in 5 claim https://t.co/RaVeX7Q31y - it also says that rates of "made to penetrate" ie male rape were 1 in 21.