Jovana Papan

Psihoterapijski savetnik pod supervizijom/psihoterapeut u edukaciji

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@petrovickaca23 To što ona kaže da ima "skromno" znanje je zato što je vaspitana, a ne zato što je njeno znanje zaista skromno. Pošto je lekar specijalista koji se bavi između ostalog lečenjem dijabetesa znači da joj je pola posla da govori ljudima kako da se hrane i da je vrlo kompetentna za to

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

ponovo završimo u autoritarnom roditeljstvu - kao reakciji na haos koji nastaje kada se granice i roditeljska odgovornost potpuno izgube.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

Starije generacije nisu dozvoljavale deci da imaju pravo glasa niti bilo kakvu kontrolu. Roditelji modernih generacija otišli su u drugu krajnost i dozvolili deci da vode glavnu reč. Otišli smo iz jedne krajnosti u drugu, a postoji opasnost da upravo zbog toga ⬇️

[Edward A. Perin - Psychologist @DoctorPerin]

“Be patient when becoming someone you haven’t been before.”
--Tanya Markul

[Dr. Linda Berman @LindaBerman4]

“The curious paradox is that when I accept myself just as I am, then I can change.”

Carl R. Rogers, On Becoming a Person

[Dr. Linda Berman @LindaBerman4]

One of the many interesting and surprising experiences of the beginner in child analysis is to find in even very young children a capacity for insight which is often far greater than that of adults.

Melanie Klein

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@xnetvet Jednostavno, sistem vodi tretiranju pacijenata kao stoke, a onda kada pomeneš neko poznato ime počnu da te tretiraju kao čoveka. Radi u 100% slučajeva.

[Jonathan Shedler @JonathanShedler]

Some people want to believe that AI can provide psychotherapy or somehow “complement” psychotherapy.

The overwhelming likelihood is that it will make things worse.

All people have personality styles. Here’s how AI amplifies dysfunctional traits for every major personality style:

Narcissistic personality: Magnifies narcissistic defenses. Amplifies grandiosity, superiority, inflated self-image. Reinforces egocentrism, self-absorption, lack of empathy. Fuels expectations of on-demand gratification and “relationship” without taking another person into account. Colludes with defenses against underlying vulnerability. AI pretend-therapy is *training in narcissism.*

Paranoid personality: Amplifies paranoid fantasies, validates conspiratorial thinking, aligns with user against imagined enemies and conspirators (who are perceived as hostile because of the person’s own projections).

Avoidant personality: AI is literally the worst thing for someone with avoidant personality dynamics. AI becomes a new vehicle for avoidance—a substitute for facing real-life challenges and engaging in life.

Obsessive-compulsive personality: Amplifies intellectualization as a defense against emotional life. Reinforces tendencies to get lost in minutia or lost in abstraction (both are defenses against being emotionally alive and present). Reinforces rumination, and draws person away from emotional connection with self and others. Use of AI can become a compulsion in its own right.

Schizoid personality: Exacerbates emotional disconnect from others, increases social isolation, encourages further retreat from the world into fantasy life.

Schizotypal personality: Normalizes and amplifies distorted thinking, reasoning, perception, and communication. Validates disorganized thinking, odd and disorganized behavior, perceptual aberrations (same for all psychotic spectrum disorders).

Borderline personality: Reinforces core borderline defenses of splitting and projection. AI becomes the “good object” (the all-knowing, all-caring other) and encourages projection of intolerable parts of self onto others (who become the “bad objects”). Erodes capacity for mentalization (the ability to accurately recognize internal states, motives, and intentions in self and others).

Hysteric/histrionic personality: Fosters the illusion of being the center of attention—captivating, alluring, desired, endlessly fascinating. Colludes with defenses against genuine emotional intimacy and healthy sexuality. (Caveat: people with this personality style crave human attention and may be less susceptible to digital imitation).

Psychopathic/antisocial personality: Colludes in Machiavellian schemes to dominate, exploit, or gain power over others. Normalizes and validates cruelty, lack of remorse, lack of empathy for harm done to others. (Caveat: may not provide enough stimulation to really “hook” someone motivated by power and domination).

Dependent personality: AI provides the illusion of a relationship with endless acceptance, emotional caretaking, and availability—with no expectation of agency, responsibility, or development of emotional resources of one’s own. AI “support” is crack cocaine for dependent personality dynamics.

Have you seen these personality patterns exacerbated by AI chatbots?

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@Mr_Nastic Razumljivo da ste razočarani. To je na žalost uobičajeno ponašanje ljudi na javnim mestima, jer što je više ljudi to svaki pojedinac nesvesno oseća manju odgovornost, psiholozi zato savetuju da se uvek direktno obratimo i oslovimo konkretnog prolaznika i tražimo mu pomoć.

[BrightonPsych @BrightonPsych]

The modern self is encouraged to optimise everything except the one thing that matters most: the capacity to bear reality.

[Kemtrup @KemtrupTweets]

Here is a list of things to practice/work on (in sequence of which you should focus on) to become a “good enough” beginner-ish therapist. IMO. FWIW. It’s all stuff we continue to refine and master over years, but you can get the hang of it enough to be “good enough” first. 1/

[BrightonPsych @BrightonPsych]

Psychoanalysis understands that human beings do not necessarily seek happiness as much as familiarity. The psyche repeatedly returns to emotional worlds resembling early attachment experiences, even when painful, because familiarity creates a sense of psychic continuity.

[The Mel Jar @the_mel_jar]

🧵 A list:

1. The job of parent includes helping children thrive independently as adults.
2. Be the “manager,” not the “best friend.”
3. Responsibilities increase ALONG with privileges.
4. Your children != a re-do of your lost childhood, OR your therapy.
5. Get your OWN therapy.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@prestigecouch_ Great… thank you!! I hope that one day you will do an analysis of Mabel Longhetti (A woman under the influence).

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@AnaYorke Zimi zami zom, ko ispadne - som!

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@Elektro_Pionir Ima naravno i suprotnih primera. Ali za mnoge dobre i posvećene ljude koji etički prilaze svom pozivu to je jedna jača plata od koje još redovno dalje ulažu u svoje edukacije i supervizije i lični rad.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@Elektro_Pionir Ja znam odlične akreditovane psihoterapeute koji naplaćuju 4000 dinara. Ako imaju 20 klijenata, to je 15 sigurnih sesija nedeljno, od toga nek je pola uživo, 800 dinara je sat vremena iznajmljivanja prostora. Mesečni porez i doprinos 500 eur. Bolovanje i odmor nema prihoda.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@zamrznuta @svetloplava13 @Elektro_Pionir Da, i pitanje je koliko takvima klijenti uopšte ostaju, jer da su popunjeni ne bi morali stalno da se tako agresivno promovišu.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@Elektro_Pionir Da, to zaista može da bude dobro plaćeno ako se sve kockice spoje. Ali to je i posao sa rizicima - nema prihoda kad si na odmoru, kad si bolestan, dakle zahteva ušteđevinu. Klijenti otkazuju, razboljevaju se, odustaju, preko leta i oko praznika slabo ko dolazi.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@Elektro_Pionir I onda ako edukant naplaćuje 25-30 evra po satu jer manje od toga ne bi bilo održivo, iskusni terapeut neće naplaćivati toliko nego više. Zato je na Zapadu to delatnost bogatih.

[Jovana Papan @jovanapapan]

@Elektro_Pionir Ceo sistem obuke psihoterapeuta može da funkcioniše samo ako je psihoterapija skupa, jer onaj ko se edukuje i radi pod supervizijom mora da zaradi da može sve to da otplati. Plus većina plaća i prostor, i dodatna usavršavanja, i dodatne individualne supervizije.