@IncredPapist_ Catechumens cannot be saved without Baptism (Ss. Ambrose, Chrysostom, Augustine, all teach this). You can, in principle, via baptism of desire and perfect contrition and love for God, attain sanctifying grace and salvation. You, however, won’t.
@tradcath4life@IncredPapist_ Are you actually serious?? They incur automatic excommunication (latae sententiae) by formally adhering to an act of schism, i.e., disobedience and refusal to submit to the Roman Pontiff by following illicit consecrations. The Pope simply has the authority and power to do this.
@tradcath4life@IncredPapist_ Pope Leo (which one?…) didn’t do what exactly? If you’re taking about Pope Leo XIV, yes, he formally decreed the excommunication of the entire order of the SSPX last month. Bishops, bishop-consecrators, the ministers, and the lay faithful are in schism.
@tradcath4life@IncredPapist_ Aren’t you an “SSPX”? Who’s the one making themselves look “stupid” by being an obstinate adherent to schism by frequenting excommunicated groups? LOL, go to confession and incur your penalties and go become Roman Catholic.
@tradcath4life@IncredPapist_ First off, the Roman Pontiff can never be in error or heretical, and his will is said to be the will of the Holy Spirit (which cannot err). Anything ‘less’ than blind obedience to him is schismatic (and this is where the SSPX fall under). The Pope is above canonical legislation.
@WesleyHoratio@IncredPapist_ Yes. The Roman Pontiff has spoken. He has excommunicated the SSPX and has stated that any ‘adherent’ to those [SSPX] individuals fall into schism as well. I’m not being hypocritical, I’m telling you the Pope isn’t bound by canonical legislation.
@Thomisticae Because both ‘conservatives’ and ‘liberals’ are forces of Satan, and conservatives are decades behind in their rhetorical capacity, whereas liberals have learned new tricks and manipulation tactics. That’s why people should become Catholic and take over the world.
@WesleyHoratio@IncredPapist_ And no, the Vatican isn’t “in schism” because the gates of Hell cannot prevail on the Church. The Pope has absolute universal jurisdiction and supremacy over the entire Church and stands above canonical legislation, lol.
@WesleyHoratio@IncredPapist_ The Vatican, as of July 2026, has excommunicated the “SSPX” and they’re considered schismatics. Their “Sunday Mass” is not a Catholic Mass because they’re alienated from the Faith. Similar to how an EO liturgy doesn’t fulfill the obligation, so to does this apply to the SSPX.
@tradcath4life@IncredPapist_ The so-called “SSPX Mass” is not a Catholic Mass, precisely because they’re in schism and they’ve departed and alienated themselves from the faith. I’m not “accusing” him, that’s exactly what he is.
@IncredPapist_ If your priest is telling you as you are saying, viz., that attending an SSPX ‘Mass’ fulfills your Sunday obligations, then yes, your ‘priest’ is a schismatic and should also go to confession, and I am not ‘accusing’ him, that’s just what he is.
@UGrammaticus@CatechesisMemes@tradasmatic95@IncredPapist_ No, you cannot go to ‘any’ Mass offered by ‘any valid priest’ if they’re an adherent to schism. You’re in total disobedience towards the Roman Pontiff. Go to confession and repent for being in a state of mortal sin. Schismatics burn in hell for eternity.
@IncredPapist_@ContraMolinism@Choochie@_y_o_t Atheism (i.e., the belief that God does not exist; or the negation of theism) does not have ‘lessened culpability’. Atheism requires a set of propositional attitudes and commitments. So yes, all atheists are condemned to the everlasting fires for all of eternity.
@IncredPapist_@underground2099 There can never be a case where the Roman Pontiff ‘invalidly’ excommunicated someone or a group. He stands above canonical legislation (Hierocratic-Papal Maximalism is true btw).
@CaptainUSATX@FightForMary@IncredPapist_ Recognizing the Roman Pontiff’s universal jurisdiction and supremacy over the entire flock of the Church is not ‘cultish’. A Roman Catholic, out of necessity, must be obedient to the Pope. Actually, ‘blind disobedience’ might be the correct thing to say here.
@_Hehehehe_____@ChildOfStThomas And it’s also coherent; for agnosticism is a suspension of judgement (which you already do). Somebody can be a non-Christian classical theist, or Muslim, or a deist, or an agnostic and completely suspend judgement on the matter (or even more extreme, become atheist).
@_Hehehehe_____@ChildOfStThomas You’re going to need to send some data on this, i.e., that most people’s religious convictions start from such-and-such point and then lead to something they firmly hold onto. If Catholicism fails, they could, in principle, become agnostic. That’s an alternative to EOism.