@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken especially if said character gets replaced in the future, (cyrene for monorem), investment like that gets wasted when you couldve had a stronger team at the time AND had that investment carry into the future for the same/less pulls. spreading cost poorly is not a characters fault
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken her e1 was her STRONGEST investment option, that does not mean she dropped needing it. the abundance of clears without e1 (including 0 cycles) at the time will show you this.
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken you say you aren't obsessed with zero cycle metrics but you clearly are. the damage check for moc is embarrassing the more cycles you take as turbulence is broken. these characters can CLEAR which is what you say you're judging them on. why care about their 0 cycle performance?
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken why would you pull a full team of characters with their lc instead of getting a single or two eidolons to clear faster with half the cost? aglaea was the only 3.x characters that had an essential e1, and it wasn't needed until over a year after release to ZERO cycle, not clear.
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken mydei also has an incredibly strong e1 with somewhat streamlined team investments (lc, cyrene, cerydra). even the "worst" 3.x characters can zero cycle. if you struggle to 5 cycle with 4-5 cost idk what to tell you.
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken this is why proper cost allocation is important. aglaea's e1 is more important to her than any teammate or lightcone. you focus on other things afterwards (cyrene, robin). she can ZERO cycle current knights with 5 cost, all of which are terrible for her. (moc is far easier)
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken i was mainly asking to see the teams + cost but i'm not really focused on that anymore
i heavily implore you to check out thegeniusarchive for example clears on characters. it includes all gamemodes with all metrics (platinum/gold/bronze aa, 5 cycle moc etc) across many versions
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken do you seriously think characters become unable to CLEAR CONTENT, not ZERO CYCLE within a year of their release??? do you think aglaea, mydei, archer, hysilens etc exploded and died 3 months after release??? dude those characters were 0 cycling king stages with mid investment
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken y'all are clearly conflating "strong e2" with "e2 baseline" with the characters you're listing. hell, you listed THERTA when she's bad even WITH her e2 (top 30 worldwide e2 therta owner saying this). that's not because she needs e2 to function, it's because her kit is just bad ๐ญ
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken mind showing me said "just fine" endgame clears?
and what do you consider a "reasonable amount of time"? as people have already said, the only real e2 merchant in this game is phainon. himeko also has a strong e2, but she literally does not need it yet for anything but king 0cs.
@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@gum_ii_ii@hubbowastaken there's a reason u ignored everything i assumed lol #BecauseItsTrue it's fine to not care abt optimization but to then complain about "e2 baseline" on twt for characters that more than function at e0 because you refuse to play them right is insane. please have a nice day (0c btw)
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken im confused, do you expect characters to last 2 years with garbage builds while only putting 3 cost into the team..?
nobody thinks hp inflation isn't a problem. the issue is that people like you literally have no idea what they're talking about in terms of optimizing the game
@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@gum_ii_ii@hubbowastaken don't even have to watch your gameplay to know you ult on sw whenever it's ready and throw pearl ults into the void on sw every time instead of even fathoming ulting yao.
sw is not an easy character. spend time learning how to optimize her through others instead of complaining.
@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@gum_ii_ii@hubbowastaken "f2p" has nothing to do with the build, someday you'll learn how to properly farm relics and that spending 2 weeks in a cavern does not mean your characters are built
if you actually knew HOW to play sw, you would realize she does not need 170. like at all. good lord.
@gum_ii_ii@keitodos@PorkWithAWhy@hubbowastaken i could choose to engage with you about how your idea of e2 merchants is braindead (especially for characters like acheron with garbage vertical since release, especially post mblade) but i get the feeling you suck at clearing and have no idea what you're talking about so idrc to
@vin_george_jr@FrostenKing @aedonlight she showed up when the swarm was swallowing the express. you also have to remember that march HAS to willingly give control to evernight.
@Kong__47@Pelapilled@libyanfag@biswa290701@citsacrob you purposefully allocating the cost poorly is not helping your point lmao, i dont even like cas but she absolutely gaps anaxa in vertical investment. his greatest strength is how good he is at low cost pls be serious instead of pushing an agenda that doesnt need to be proven lol
@chen_nick_g @Kocho__________@peterslabyrinth@Cristian212004@citsacrob "nahida on instructor" i hope you know shes proccing 0 blooms and instructor is useless on her there
if youre switching into her right after bina to potentially proc your single bloom ever (which i doubt youre doing) your rotation is even worse since youll have no uptime on it.