To me the key distinction of socialism is government control over the means of production (central planning). This never works.
The “Nordic model” is often called socialism but it doesn’t meet the academic definition. The Nordic model is capitalism with a social safety net. This system works.
Central planning doesn’t work. Free markets do work. Deng’s reforms worked because they were steps towards a free market.
@Banqiuxiansheng@Ariszn12 Agreed, Deng’s market reforms are what allowed the people of China to start to prosper. China was communist / Socialist until Deng when it started to transition to mixed-market authoritarian.
I’d love to see the people of China free of authoritarianism.
According to grok the CCP’s own sterilization records document sterilization surges correlated with birth-rate drops in Uyghur areas. Combine that with leaked documents (e.g. Qaraqash List), and consistent survivor testimonies.
The CCP saying “we didn’t do it” looks a lot like a child saying they didn’t eat the cookies when the chocolate is all over their face and the crumbs are all over their shirt.
@QVQ_QAQ@Ariszn12@grok National Direct Student Loans were 3-4% when Obama took out student loans. Just like I said they were.
If you’re not going to discuss in good faith then there’s no point in discussing.
You list countries that developed much later than the US and Europe then compare them to the IS and Europe. Growth takes time. Inside each of those parts of the world analyze free markets vs prosperity and you will see a strong correlation.
Free markets create prosperity.
Centrally planned and centrally controlled markets inhibit prosperity.
To deny this is to deny the entirety of history and economic knowledge of humanity.
Nobody makes you poor. Poverty is the absence of prosperity. Learn to be prosperous.
Socialists believe corporations have too much power, and the solution is to merge your employer, your landlord, your doctor, and your grocery store into one organization that also has a police force, courts, prisons, and a military.
At least under capitalism you can find a different employer or even fight back with protest.
When the government controls the means of production, the food supply, the police, and the military, the people are fucked.
If you protest you get killed.
You’re probably interpreting the data poorly.
Student loans typically have a very low interest rate so you pay them off as slowly as possible.
Why race to pay off a student loan at 3% when you can invest the money in the market instead and earn 9-10% or more in it?
It’s basic economics. If someone is lending you money at 3% you invest it and pay it off as slowly as possible.
@Banqiuxiansheng@Ariszn12 I don’t believe the circumstances in China are unique or extreme. China has thrived the most when they have looked around to see what works in other countries and emulated it.
My advice is to keep doing that.
The US and Soviet Union never fought a real war. It turned into an economic competition and free markets proved to be more prosperous.
In fact free markets have consistently proved to be more prosperous than the alternatives every time they’ve been compared at the scale of countries.
@lee64194373@Winston05716471@Ariszn12@grok provide an answer to this question. Which human rights organizations have reported these atrocities? Where are the reports? What evidence is there that these are real atrocities as allowed to a politicized slander of the Chinese communist party?
@Banqiuxiansheng@Ariszn12 China started to thrive and prosper when it started giving people more economic freedom.
I hope some day the people of China achieve complete freedom.
@Banqiuxiansheng@Ariszn12 Your perception of arrogance / prejudice is highly influenced by cultural context. You and I come from vastly different cultures. Consequently it’s best if we stick to the facts.
It is not true to claim poverty is not absolute. It is both absolute and relative.
To escape poverty and create wealth one must learn how to efficiently meet their own needs and the needs of others.
The result is prosperity where everyone has more.
Poverty is a lack of abundance. It is when someone is struggling to meet their basic needs, so it is both a lack of wealth and a lack of ownership.
In the US we shine a spotlight on our worst behavior and try to fix it. Free speech guarantees our right to criticize our government, for example, when it commits acts of evil.
Anyone trying to limit your free speech is not your friend.
“Be wary of he who would deny you access to information, for instance his heart he believes himself to be your master”