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[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@parsnipslut @migueldeicaza In Greece, we have a saying that knowing half the truth is worse than not knowing the truth at all. You are a case in point...

[depths of wikipedia! @depthsofwiki]

i'm starting a collection of things like this

[Web Design Museum @WebDesignMuseum]

20 years of evolution of web design trends.

The Pirate Bay homepage in 2005
vs.
The Pirate Bay homepage in 2025

#WebDesignHistory

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@baskanell4 @vivian_e Ξέρεις ίσως να ξαναδιαβάζεις μια φορά το γράφεις πριν το ποστάρεις.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@akrokentrwos_2 @chriszlatis αυτού του είδους τις τοποθετήσεις, τύπου κοιτάχτε πόσο ανοιχτόμυαλος είμαι τελικά φταίνε όλοι και κανένας, πρέπει πρώτες να τις λοιδορούμε ως στην καλύτερη για καφενοταξί και στην χειρότερη σκόπιμα δεκανίκια όσων δεν θέλουν να αναλάβουν τις σοβαρές ευθύνες που τους αναλογούν.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@SailorBillyBob @robbysoave That is a pretty uninformed and naive view of pretty much every country's relationship with speech at any time in history including the united states at the present moment.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave Tbh I'm kind of tired of this thread because I get the feeling you're not really arguing in good faith with all this bait and switch

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave Who said that they took inspo from Greeks and not from Aquinas? It can be both you know. I don't know why you've switched to arguing over whether Aquinas read Aristotle or not (I'm pretty sure he did but it's immaterial to this discussion) when the topic about the enlightenment

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @Patrick_am_I @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave I'm confused by this, related to your earlier comment that Aquinas rediscovered free speech. Are you suggesting he was unaware of Greek thought on the matter and rediscovered something independently?

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @Patrick_am_I @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave that the Athenians didn't conceive of of (and write about) free speech, as a virtue and as a public good, which is the basis for even modern day defenses or the 1st Amendment (when balancing the individual right with other concerns).

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @Patrick_am_I @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave I think I understand your taking issue with the "Greeks invented it". You are focusing on the individual right aspect of free speech protections, which is indeed a modern invention. Even Socrates didn't have a concept of an individual right. But you are definitely wrong to say >

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@Patrick_am_I @riskoriented @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave Sorry but you've taken it too far with the name calling. Blocking.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@Patrick_am_I @riskoriented @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave Please calm down..in this subthread @riskoriented and I are discussing the historical evolution or the free speech concept from antiquity, not recent developments or the current situation.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @Patrick_am_I @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave Seems like a bait and switch though to talk of how many french revolutionaries knew about classical Athens. The more important point is how many french intellectuals of the enlightenment, leading up to the revolution, knew. And the answer is most likely all of them.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@riskoriented @Patrick_am_I @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave I think you misunderstood my original point, which is why you think Wikipedia refutes it. I didn't say that Greeks thought free speech was a natural right. Or an individual right. It was considered an important virtue though that Athenians collectively cherished.

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@Patrick_am_I @marmadukebj16 @CoreyWriting @robbysoave Maybe take it easy with the policing of who should comment and who not. Why are you supposing I do not know about those decisions? Maybe explain how discussing them would impact my point?

[Konstantinos @[email protected] @koukopoulos]

@PersephoneK @robbysoave Did I say we shouldn't be proud of free speech protection in the US? However being proud doesn't mean one should use simplistic understandings to disparage others who have differing approaches.