Kram

🇨🇭🇺🇦 Swiss-Ukrainian. Blocked by Dietmar Pichler because Uzhhorod wasn’t epic enough. Blocked by the Finnish concentration-camp wanker for calling out his lies.

[Kram @Kram1uj7]

As a Swiss, I have to say this:

“More weapons. More war. Arm Ukraine to destroy the threat at the source.”

It sounds very impressive when you are sitting safely far away from the battlefield and looking at the war like a chessboard.

You were a great chess player, Gary. You know better than most that pieces can be sacrificed. You move them around, lose them, replace them and continue playing.

But here is the problem: Ukrainians are not chess pieces.

They are sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, husbands and wives. When another weapon is sent to the front, it is not a pawn being moved across a board. Real people have to carry it, and real people die.

And somehow the answer always seems to be the same: more weapons, more escalation, more sacrifices - until eventually, apparently, the last Ukrainian is supposed to be the one left standing on the board.

From Switzerland, I find this mentality deeply disturbing. I do not want more Ukrainians killed. I want the war to end.

You spent your life mastering a game where sacrificing pieces can be part of the strategy.

Maybe it is time to remember that real life is not chess, and human beings are not expendable pieces.

[Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63]

Switzerland (!?) joining France, Poland, and Lithuania in making alarmed security statements. Instead of vague defensive measures, better would be to seize Russian assets and arm Ukraine to destroy the threat at the source.

[SickOfWar @AZMaGHaMaMa]

Fuck you.

[Palestine Daily News✌️🇵🇸✌️ @Palestinedaily1]

Imagine doing this to your own people just to appease israel.

Western society is finished…

[Roman @Romanselydove]

Неймовірно потужний допис🫠🫠🫠! Головне щоб людина померла?

[MultipolarAffair @MultipolarA]

What a blunder for @mobbs_mentality . The men in question already served in the army. He saw what happens there and he wanted to live. I guess that is unacceptable for the blood ghoul like Meaghan .

[Kram @Kram1uj7]

After talking to a lot of people in the Donbas over the past few years, it is beyond doubt to me that Russia had no right to start this war, just like any other country that starts a war. But then you start talking to people, listening to their stories and experiences, and you realize that reality is a bit more complex than black and white.

[Kram @Kram1uj7]

Meaghan, I do not think anyone is saying a country has no right to defend itself, or that citizens can never have obligations to their country. That is not really Marta's point.

The question is much simpler: why is a Ukrainian man who already served, has a child, and desperately wanted to stay alive a “coward” because he did not want to die in another war?

You volunteered after 9/11, went to West Point and served in Afghanistan. I respect that. But you chose to make that sacrifice. That does not mean every Ukrainian man who does not want to die has to make the same choice.

You can believe Ukraine has to defend itself. You can believe conscription can be necessary. You can condemn Russia's invasion. And you can still condemn abusive recruitment and the idea that someone who wants to survive is somehow morally inferior.

And the Normandy comparison does not change that. Of course those men did not want to die. They had wives, children and futures too. That is exactly why their sacrifice mattered.

Volodymyr was a Ukrainian veteran and a father. He did not want to die. He wanted to see his son grow up. He drowned trying to escape.

You can argue that Ukraine needs soldiers. But that still does not explain why he should be called a coward.

A state may need soldiers. A father may want to live. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

And if defending freedom means telling a Ukrainian father that dying on the battlefield is honorable but trying to stay alive is cowardice, then I think we need to ask what exactly that freedom is supposed to protect.

[Meaghan Mobbs @mobbs_mentality]

Are you in America now, Marta? Did you seek asylum here?

When my country was attacked on 9/11, I volunteered. I went to West Point. I went to Afghanistan.

Your country was attacked, and you spend time convincing people to not support her. We are not the same.

And let’s be very clear about what you are continuously argue with your posts and when you call conscription “slavery” and systematically attack the legitimacy of a democracy requiring its citizens to defend it.

You are not merely criticizing abuses. I have condemned abuses too. You are attacking the principle that a free society may require its citizens to defend the very freedoms they claim as their birthright.

Perhaps a reminder of history is useful for a historian who has spent her career studying the Holocaust.

Who liberated Europe?

Do you imagine every young American, British, Canadian, Polish, and French man who fought his way across Europe wanted to be there? Do you think the men landing at Normandy preferred Omaha Beach to their homes, wives, children, and futures?

Of course not.

Free societies survived because ordinary people accepted an extraordinary obligation: citizenship sometimes requires service, sacrifice, and, in the darkest moments, fighting and dying.

Ukraine did not choose this war. It was invaded. Its survival as a sovereign nation is at stake. Conscription under those circumstances is not proof that freedom has failed. It is one of the terrible costs of preventing freedom from being extinguished.

We can condemn corruption. We can condemn abusive recruiters. We can demand accountability and humane treatment. I have.

But condemning abuses is fundamentally different from declaring the obligation to defend your country itself illegitimate. Which is what you do everyday.

And there is an irony here that should not be missed. You invoke freedom while enjoying the protection of a country whose freedoms were repeatedly secured by people who were drafted, volunteered, fought, and died.

Who do you think provides the conditions in which you are free to denounce the very concept of national service?

Authoritarian states are not going to stop mobilizing their populations because pseudo-Western intellectuals have decided national defense is oppressive. Russia certainly will not. Neither will China.

If only the democracies conclude that asking citizens to defend themselves is immoral, the result is not a freer world.

It is a defenseless one.

That is why this argument is so corrosive. Hollow out the West’s willingness to defend itself, call sacrifice oppression and service slavery, and eventually freedom becomes something everyone demands but no one is willing to defend.

You are a propagandist for Western disarmament and an apologist for national surrender.

Your ideas are poison to a free society and don’t belong here.

At their core, they are anti-American.

[Vinainochka @Vinainochka]

Міг померти героєм, а так здох.
Ваша донька Кіта Келога ☺️

[Marta Havryshko @HavryshkoMarta]

“Died a coward. Could have died a hero.”

That is how Meaghan Mobbs, the daughter of Keith Kellogg, Donald Trump’s former special envoy for Ukraine, chose to comment under my post about the death of Volodymyr, 32.

Volodymyr drowned in a river while trying to escape draft officers who, according to a witness, threatened him with firearms. They wanted to force him back into a war he had already known firsthand.

Volodymyr was a veteran.
He had already been there. He had already seen what war does to human beings.

This time, he did not want to be a hero.
He wanted to be a father. A husband. He wanted to live.

Now his 11-month-old son will grow up without a father. Alina will live without her husband.

It is difficult to imagine the grief that has descended on this family — a family that has lost a father, a husband, a son, a brother, a grandson.

And into that grief comes a condescending voice from across the ocean to pronounce their loved one a coward.

Not the men who chased him and threatened him with weapons. Not those willing to hunt down their own compatriots so that other men, not themselves can be sent into the hell of war.

Him.
The man who ran.
The veteran who had already served.

The father who wanted to see his child grow up.
The husband who wanted to come home.
The man who wanted to live.

He is the one she calls a coward.

There is something obscene about demanding heroism from other people’s husbands, other people’s fathers, other people’s sons — and then policing the manner of their deaths from the safety of another continent.

Volodymyr owed no one a beautiful death.
He owed his little boy nothing but the chance to have a father.
And now even that chance is gone.

[Roman @Romanselydove]

Одразу видно, що людина не знає, що таке справжня війна:

[Kram @Kram1uj7]

@DahillMich51380 Everyone has the right to condemn this war. But I simply can’t take seriously people who suddenly discover their principles when it comes to Russia while supporting what America and its allies have been doing in the Middle East for decades. That’s hypocrisy at its finest.

[Kram @Kram1uj7]

I find this notion of “freedom and democracy” so ridiculous. As someone who has actually been involved in this war and has been to a few wars myself, I’ve learned that there are always different parties involved, all wanting the war to continue for different reasons. The same is true here. So please stop with this nonsense.

[Kram @Kram1uj7]

As a Swiss, I have to say this:

“More weapons. More war. Arm Ukraine to destroy the threat at the source.”

It sounds very impressive when you are sitting safely far away from the battlefield and looking at the war like a chessboard.

You were a great chess player, Gary. You know better than most that pieces can be sacrificed. You move them around, lose them, replace them and continue playing.

But here is the problem: Ukrainians are not chess pieces.

They are sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, husbands and wives. When another weapon is sent to the front, it is not a pawn being moved across a board. Real people have to carry it, and real people die.

And somehow the answer always seems to be the same: more weapons, more escalation, more sacrifices - until eventually, apparently, the last Ukrainian is supposed to be the one left standing on the board.

From Switzerland, I find this mentality deeply disturbing. I do not want more Ukrainians killed. I want the war to end.

You spent your life mastering a game where sacrificing pieces can be part of the strategy.

Maybe it is time to remember that real life is not chess, and human beings are not expendable pieces.

[Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63]

Switzerland (!?) joining France, Poland, and Lithuania in making alarmed security statements. Instead of vague defensive measures, better would be to seize Russian assets and arm Ukraine to destroy the threat at the source.

[Julia.wntlv🇺🇦 @jb_wntlv]

Якщо кожен хто підтримує тцк долучиться до війська,150тис військових пенсіонерів до 60 які давали присягу, мусора, чиновники,митники,прокурори, медійники які люблять розказувати про перемогу, всяка гниль типу заброньованих стендаперів долучиться до війська то потреба в тцк зникне

[Marta Havryshko @HavryshkoMarta]

My exchange with General Keith Kellogg’s daughter, Meghan, has produced an unexpected knight in shining armor: Vladyslav, known for his Helmet of Memory — a man described in Ukraine as an “elite draft dodger,” who also happens to be on the payroll of oligarch Rinat Akhmetov.

Apparently, when ordinary Ukrainians avoid the draft, they need a lecture on patriotism. When the well-connected do it, they get a job description and fancy photos with US lovers of dead Ukrainian heroes.

Anyway, below is my response to Vladyslav.
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Dear Vladyslav,

No one is blaming Meghan for Volodymyr’s death. The issue is how she writes about his death — with contempt, moral superiority, and a self-appointed right to decide how another human being should die.

She condemns the choice for which he ultimately paid with his life.

But what was his choice?

He simply wanted to escape being forcibly sent to the front. He wanted to live. And he had every right to want that.

Meaghan denies him even that most fundamental human right — the right to value his own life.

That is inhumane. It is morally callous. It is heartless.

And coming from someone who speaks from the security and privilege of a wealthy First World country while passing judgment on a Ukrainian man facing forced mobilization, it carries an unmistakable air of racial and geopolitical superiority.

[Marta Havryshko @HavryshkoMarta]

Dear Vladyslav,

No one is blaming Meaghan for Volodymyr’s death. The issue is HOW she writes about his death — with contempt, moral superiority, and a self-appointed right to decide how another human being should die.

She condemns the choice for which he ultimately paid with his life.

But what was his choice?

He simply wanted to escape being forcibly sent to the front. He wanted to live. And he had every right to want that.

Meaghan denies him even that most fundamental human right — the right to value his own life.

That is inhumane. It is morally callous. It is heartless.

And coming from someone who speaks from the security and privilege of a wealthy First World country while passing judgment on a Ukrainian man facing forced mobilization, it carries an unmistakable air of racial and geopolitical superiority.

[Kristina @Marengskake]

@HavryshkoMarta @mobbs_mentality What an absolutely disgusting human being she is

[Marta Havryshko @HavryshkoMarta]

🛑Meaghan, the daughter of Gen. Keith Kellogg, Donald Trump’s former special envoy for Ukraine, reproaches me for leaving my native Ukraine during the war and living in the US.

Do you know why I left, Meaghan?

Because I am a Jewish scholar of Ukrainian nationalism and the Holocaust who has received death threats from neo-Nazis — forces that the West has armed, funded, and legitimized, and that operate within the Ukrainian military, led by your beloved “leader of the free world,” Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

I hope your country, the United States, can protect me and my son. Europe certainly did not make me feel that it could.

🛑You lecture me about “civic duty” and hold yourself up as an example.
But you volunteered. It was your choice.

Most Ukrainian men today don't have that choice.
They are forcibly mobilized — grabbed off the streets, separated from their loved ones, and sent to the front, against their will, to kill and die. In the lost war that can't be won.

You served in a rear position, not for months at the zero line, where Ukrainian soldiers endure conditions civilians can barely imagine: shortages of water, food, medicine, and sometimes even the most basic means of survival.

You are a general’s daughter. You had privileges an ordinary Ukrainian soldier does not.

Ordinary soldiers often report hazing, abuse, suicidal orders, and violence within their own units. Read the investigations and testimonies concerning units such as Skelia, the 225th, and Shkval.

Before lecturing Ukrainians about duty, listen to the Ukrainians who are actually being forced to pay for that duty with their bodies.

🛑I am not an “apologist for national surrender.”

I am an advocate for Ukraine's national survival.
And there is no national survival without people left alive to constitute a nation.

Ukraine is bleeding people through death, injury, displacement, and demographic collapse. Millions have left, and many will never return. Births have collapsed while deaths vastly outnumber them.

And Ukrainians are dying to the soundtrack of your and other neoconservative voices chanting: “Stand with Ukraine.”

Standing with Ukraine should mean standing with Ukrainians, not with its corrupt political elites who turn war into a profitable business.

Standing with Ukraine should mean not treating Ukrainian lives as an inexhaustible resource for Western geopolitical convictions against Russia.

People like you, Meaghan, increasingly struggle to conceal the contempt beneath the rhetoric. Moral superiority and condescension cannot forever hide behind slogans about a “just peace” and Ukraine’s right to resist.

If you want more war and more blood, go to the front yourself. Take your own loved ones with you.

Leave my people alone.
And spare Ukrainians the lectures about how they ought to die.

[ColonelTowner-Watkins @ColonelTowner]

What a fucking piece of shit!!! @mobbs_mentality
daughter of Gen Keith Kellogg is a despicable human being and while illustrating that fact to the world says the quiet part out loud:

Ukrainian young men MUST DIE FOR NATO. Their only choice is whether the NATO elite deems your death cowardly or as a hero, but DIE YOU MUST!!!

[Гай Марій Берліній 🇺🇦🇺🇦 @Lorgar212177]

Донька Кіта Келлога незадоволена тим, що у мобресурсу може бути свобода волі. Старайтесь дожити хоча б до підвалу ТЦК, а краще до передової, щоб біла людина не засмучувалась.

[StateDeptRetd @BoelJerry]

@mobbs_mentality @HavryshkoMarta You and your father are such disgusting scumbags.

[Dmitri @DmitriLLM]

Меган, из тебя такой же комбат ветеран, как и клинический психолог, как мы уже все убедились по недавним фразам.

Ты, как и любой другой непобейби элитарий, спряталась за бюрократией и пытаешься присвоить себе подвиг и жертву сотен тысяч американских солдат пытаясь всех нас убедить, что можешь говорить от их имени. Но мы то знаем кто ты, и знаем как офис Зеленского «сотрудничает» с твоим папкой.

И да, попытайся изучить историю не по Американским фильмам о D-day. Европу освободил советский солдат. Наши прадеды. А вы сидели за океаном и набл��дали когда достаточно ослабнут конкуренты в виде СССР и Британии, прежде чем вообще что-либо сделать.