@darwintojesus Are good things moral because God decides they are (thus making them arbitrary), or does God choose things to be moral because they are good (thus making morality exist outside God)?
@FdWheelchair@darwintojesus Asexual reproduction leads to horizontal gene transfer, horizontal gene transfer leads to isogamy, isogamy leads to anisogamy, anisogamy leads to oogamy. Biological sex.
@aarbaer I think Isaiah 5:20 applies here:
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for Sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Timothy 4:3-4 as well, but I don't have the space for the verse here, go on and read it.
@radia54yu Late to the party, but that's not the argument
The argument isnt that you would do it, the argument is that there's nothing *wrong* with doing it
Religious folk believe morality is a universal mandate from a higher power. Atheists do not, therefore right and wrong are arbitrary
@darwintojesus Are the rules God sets good because God sets them (completely arbitrary) or are the rules God sets set because they are good (goodness exists outside of and without God). Choose.
@darwintojesus@z8000783 Irrelevant. Even if we accept we live in a dream, we experience a progressive flow of time, we create an environment with consistent rules like gravity and the speed of light, rules we can measure and determine empirically.
Weather reality is real or a dream doesn't factor.
@darwintojesus Alright kids, this is what we call a "strawman argument"
Here, OP has willfully misrepresented the comic's argument and presented an easier to defeat argument *not* made by the comic such that he can defeat this made up argument more easily, without addressing the real one.
@darwintojesus Is goodness good because God decides that it is good (making it completely arbitrary), or does God decide things are good because they are good (goodness exists outside of God and therefore irrespective of him)?
I know you won't answer, but it's pretty clear God ≠ morality.
@hot_babe_98 All that talk about complex thought and yet you didn't register the fact that you thinking Loki acting like a malevolent ghoul is in character throws aside your original point that this is not a character with agency. Their character doesn't exist. As fabricated as their looks.
@kaitybella So generally speaking I'd say people eat 3 to 4 slices of pizza unless pizza is the main course. ×45 is 180 slices needed on the high end. ÷8 for 8 slices per pizza gives 22.5 pizzas. Round up to even 23.
So like, did no one show up hungry?
@darwintojesus Is homosexuality unnatural (and therefore bad because unnatural things are bad) or is it natural (and therefore bad because natural things are bad).
Feel free to take one of the two positions and we can debate, or you can keep moving the goalposts whenever it's convenient lol.
@Axon3t@bigkhing001 You saying this goes against your original premise that you "need to know" if you're on default settings. You've successfully argued yourself in a circle.
@amamwake@MartyBrink@DivinelyDesined Why did your brother drop of out high school while you graduated college if you came from the same parents?
Different evolutionary branches produce different outcomes. We happened to evolve with a specialization in brain power. Others evolved differently. That's all.
@darwintojesus There are 3 people on an island. 2 of them aren't cannibals, the last one is.
The cannibal expresses his opinion, and is morally condemned by the other two, and exiled.
While there is no weight to their condemnation in a cosmic sense, the consequences are real.
@Axon3t@bigkhing001 You claimed the default setting requires goal directed behavior, but animals mate because they're horny. There is no purpose behind this.
Likewise, humans do not need purpose to feel the default impulses that control desire. We create that purpose through higher understanding.