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@NikkiHaley

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@skiidmarxx You're exaggerating but nothing about "better at navigation” suggests that it's also capable of taking lives. Those are separate concerns.

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@DanielDiMartino @ZohranKMamdani

[Jabari Brisport @JabariBrisport]

$100m in this year's state budget to build publicly owned renewable energy, thanks to socialists.

With the incoming slate of DSA candidates, we will be much more aggressive next year. Let's build out 15 gigawatts of renewables.

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@protakill @JPKivisto @MarkRPellegrino @LeftyWinter It means that unemployment, health insurance, paid family leave, sick leave, etc, employer policies meant to entice workers in the US are no longer business expenses handled by small businesses & the private sector in Norway. Hope that helps!

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@LeftTranslation @MarkRPellegrino @LeftyWinter Bro thinks they're the 1st person to bring this up lol

I'm not even in favor of Norway as a completely planned economy. Nor do I think they don't have a business friendly env. U just imagined I said both. I'm saying it has a lot of state owned enterprises, which u didn't debunk.

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@JPKivisto @MarkRPellegrino @LeftyWinter This is what I mean, what does "economic freedom" mean to u? lower taxes? Tbc I can believe that.

In any case, it IS clear that rates of business formation are higher in the nordics partly bc welfare policies like healthcare are a national priority. It's somn I'm for!

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@KnucklesNp26684 @MarkRPellegrino @LeftyWinter I'll happily concede actually, I personally won't use metrics that use vague nonsense but if it's anything like Sweden then I believe it.

I just ask that you square that with the heavy amount of state ownership and welfare policies that the public and pvt sector r involved in.

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@char_the_1st @HenryForLA With newish public financing models like a revolving door fund, which don't require ongoing subsidy, opportunity cost is moot no?

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@aripari18 @LeftyWinter No matter how I would define it, we agree it's much more preferable to the US, most definitely. If there was a reformist path to socialism, I'd actually describe it exactly how you did, plus some other stuff.

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@aripari18 @LeftyWinter lots of noncapitalist institutions (structured like a publicly traded company but owned by society, workers, consumers).

e.g. their partial SOEs, outright owned by an NO Ministry, who can choose boardmembers, etc

A consumer co-op, Co-op Norge, owned by its 2m customers.

etc.

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@aripari18 @LeftyWinter Tbc idc what a nation calls themselves. I'll co-opt based on my own beliefs. Requires semantics I admit.

So if you consider socialism as strictly public ownership of MoP (meaning neutral on markets), then we have to give them credit for having lots of them for a western nation!

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@LeftTranslation @MarkRPellegrino @LeftyWinter I determine what it is by its merits. My arg is just as valid as the guy being interviewed!

So don't be lazy. Debate it on its merits and demerits!

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@randomaccountzs @TheLastBasti0n @LeftyWinter Agree to disagree then

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Cards on the table:

This is the closest to the society I want and it is a really nice stepping stone to a lot more establishment of noncapitalist democratic institutions. So no hate from me!

Perhaps China is too but with more democratic systems in place, but I have no idea.

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It seems really clear that replies haven't actually looked into Norway! It's not just cuddly capitalism with a welfare state. It has an aggressive partial SOE portfolio with a large wealth fund. But this is Twitter. Nobody cares about the truth.

[Winter @LeftyWinter]

Capitalism sucks.

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@TheHeadCor1 @aripari18 @LeftyWinter Norway's pension fund global is a diverse portfolio of equities and real estate. That's literally the whole deal, that the oil will eventually run out. A public finance mgr of an US SWF can start off picking stocks or follow an index.

https://t.co/b94tvYppgE

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@aripari18 @LeftyWinter I didn't read a malicious frame into it. I'm pointing out two differences that makes it distinct from a social democratic framework, i.e. not just welfare. More noncapitalist institutions i.e. more PSOEs, large public fund.

Whether/not you agree is where the arg ought to be at.

[Max Dubler 🏳️‍🌈 @maxdubler]

Happy SB 79 day to all who celebrate.

[Winter @LeftyWinter]

Capitalism sucks.