LogicalAgnostic

Nearly 20 years in Christian ministry. Too many questions, not enough answers.

[LogicalAgnostic @LogicalAgnostic]

@MartinTweats @Jmitch82784111 No, the fallacy is believing YOURS is the RIGHT and only TRUE God because your book said. Usually the information closer to the historical event is considered the most accurate. Yet Christianity claims their god is the right one even though older texts disagree.

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@AiG And indoctrinated on Sunday mornings. There is no educational applications to teaching specific biblical principles from the Bible.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd I enjoy going back and forth with people who challenge me. Good discourse elevates learning, knowledge, and understanding. And I’m objective, believe it or not, if I find enough evidence that I’m wrong then I’ll admit it.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd If my mormon comparison proves your point then you surely discredit your earlier comment regarding fabrication to some degree. Plenty of enemies of “God” have converted. That doesn’t mean god is real. It just means they believe in it enough to think so. It’s not evidence.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd 3/3 We think Joseph of Arimathea was given responsibility for his burial. We can’t say for sure he was real. Christians believe Christ resurrected. We only have biblically based evidence that says he was. No other additional evidence, except that it was a superstition exists.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd 1/? I’m not dodging history. History corroborates a lot of things in the Bible to some degree and then the Bible gets some things wrong. The things that are corroborated outside of the Bible are not miracles; for instance, Christ’s resurrection.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd 2/? We know he was likely real. We don’t know he was born of a virgin, except from the Bible. Many other religions share a similar story. No evidence to support the Bible being unique in this at all. We know he was likely crucified by the Romans. They crucified lots of people.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd Josephus wasn’t convinced. He wrote about what he heard, as a historian during those times that was the best he could do. He didn’t convert and he didn’t claim Jesus was the Messiah. He did what historians back then did, wrote about what was being told to him.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd He saw a vision on the road to Damascus supposedly. Donkeys also talk in the Bible. Have you ever seen one? You accept the evidence BECAUSE they are in the Bible, carefully curated. We’ve been down this road. You reject Mormonism with closer historical proximity AND witnesses. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd I have written in support for my claim. He MUST be resurrected because Thomas touched his wounds. He MUST be resurrected because he spoke and then they recognized him. But why does a physically resurrected Christ look different?

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd We view this quite differently. Have you never considered that the doubt was used to head off questions? If I write the doubt into the book and show that people there still believed, I have created “evidence”.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd Having a reputation for something is not evidence. And these guys didn’t witness hit, didn’t talk to witnesses, they heard it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone. I’m not hung up or in a loop, you’re ignoring my point.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd Not at all. You’ve yet to provide extra-biblical evidence for the miracles. Logic is not believing something that doesn’t have evidence.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd You’re assuming the apostles helped fabricate it. Evidence to your claims are still lacking. And we haven’t even dug into the problems with the gospel narrative. For instance, the apostles not recognizing Jesus. Are we staying on topic regarding evidence for miracles though?

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@ackerman_freddy @darwintojesus No, I’m using observation to illustrate how “god” behaves. I conclude it doesn’t exist because of evidence and inconsistencies in the Bible. There could be A god, it’s not the god of the Bible though.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd I know that you HAVE to maintain your belief but it still doesn’t make it true. Neither Josephus nor Tacitus were eye witnesses. Even modern day cult members die believing what we know are lies. If we are speaking logically then the numbers don’t add up.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd The claim here is not that Jesus existed. It’s that he performed miracles with witnesses. There are none outside of the Bible, INCLUDING witnesses to the resurrection.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd Smith said he showed the plates to 11 men. No, Tacitus/Josephus confirm a “superstition”. Josephus was Jewish, he didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah and he didn’t hold the personal view that Jesus resurrected. This is about evidence of walking on water and feeding the 5,000.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd If that was a difficult point to miss then I’ll just say: if there is no additional, outside, objective evidence then we shouldn’t just believe stuff. Let’s believe things we can prove.

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@GenRushDudeTV @HQmindd Let me simplify my point: people in modern times believe the stuff Joseph Smith said and wrote down is true. He was visited by an angel that took him to some golden plates and created The Book of Mormon. Witnesses corroborate his story. Do you believe in Mormonism?