There's little doubt that if Poilievre were PM, there would be a more reasonable tone out of Ottawa and a lot less of the inflammatory, anti-American rhetoric were seeing from the Liberals.
Canada would be in a much better position than it is now.
@jkenney Unless we're in a communist country we're allowed to be proud of our country and despise the government in power. Thanks for letting us know you'd rather have us a communist country with no rights to criticize the government. No wonder you were forced out of leadership ๐
@gator_gum Actually its you Elbozos that are cheering this on moron.
We want to get back to the table and get a deal like your savior promised during the election.
YOU WILL BE THE REASON CANADA FAILS!
RETARD
๐ข
The thing thatโs becoming impossible to ignore for me is how successfully the Liberals have used Trump to blur the line between ๐๐๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐๐ and ๐๐๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฎ.
Those arenโt the same thing.
But thatโs increasingly how the argumentโs being framed.
If you oppose the Liberals, criticize their record, question their decisions, or refuse to fall in line behind them, suddenly youโre treated like youโre somehow siding against Canada with the USA.
๐๐ป๐ฑ ๐ง๐ฟ๐๐บ๐ฝโ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ณ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ต๐ถ๐ฐ๐น๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ถ๐.
The message is basically:
โข Trumpโs threatens Canada.
โข The Liberals are standing up to Trump.
โข So if youโre not supporting the Liberals, you must somehow be against Canada.
Thatโs absurd on it's face.
๐ญ. THE LIBERAL PARTY ISNโT CANADA.
๐ฎ. MARK CARNEY ISNโT CANADA.
๐ฏ. A SITTING GOVERNMENT ISNโT THE COUNTRY ITSELF.
And criticizing that government doesnโt suddenly become disloyal just because thereโs pressure coming from Washington.
Whatโs especially frustrating is watching some conservatives walk straight into this framing like lemmings.
People whoโve spent years criticizing Liberal policy are now acting like questioning the Liberal government during a dispute with Trump somehow weakens Canada.
๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ผ๐ฒ๐๐ปโ๐.
You can oppose Trump when heโs wrong. You can defend Canadaโs interests. And you can still hold the Liberal government responsible for what itโs done here at home.
๐ง๐ต๐ผ๐๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ผ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ปโ๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐.
The Liberals have governed this country for more than a decade. Their record doesnโt disappear because Donald Trumpโs president.
โ Housing doesnโt suddenly become affordable.
โ Productivity problems donโt disappear.
โ Government spending doesnโt disappear.
โ Immigration failures donโt disappear.
โ Economic stagnation doesnโt disappear.
And every other policy failure people were furious about six months ago doesnโt suddenly become irrelevant because the Liberals can point south and say, โTRUMP BAD.โ
๐ง๐ต๐ฎ๐โ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐น๐ฒ๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ.
Trump becomes their shield. The flag becomes their cover.
That should bother conservatives more than anyone.
Because the moment you accept the idea that criticizing the government during an external dispute means criticizing the country, youโve surrendered one of the most basic distinctions in a democracy:
๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐ด๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐๐ป๐๐ฟ๐.
๐๐ง ๐๐ฆ๐กโ๐ง ๐ง๐๐ ๐๐ข๐จ๐ก๐ง๐ฅ๐ฌ!
And some conservatives are becoming patsies for exactly this framing.
Theyโre helping reinforce the Liberal argument that patriotism now means rallying behind the government instead of scrutinizing it. Who has been nothing but a blight and a detriment on our land.
You donโt defend Canada by suspending your judgment of the people running it.
You defend Canada by refusing to let any political party hide behind the flag when they have repeatedly failed.
The Liberals arenโt Canada.
Trump doesnโt change that.
Feel free to unfollow me please if you're one of those patsies.
You would be doing me a favor. I have enough stupid to deal with.
๐ฉ๐ฒ๐๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฟ
@jkenney Just an FYI Kenney...that "small fringe minority" of so called "right wing MAGA" is the grassroots of the conservatives. You are alienating a vast majority of conservatives with your rhetoric. In fact you sound just like Trudeau.
@RodAVanier No we didn't. Instead we have a government that doesn't allow pipelines to the East to allow our country to be self sustained. Instead they decided it would be better to depend on the US or import oil from the middle east ๐ค
@RodAVanier Read the many CSIS reports released over the last 5 years. Unless that will ruin the narrative you're trying to spread. Just because you're ignorant to the facts doesn't make you truthful in fact it just makes you look dumb. Look it up and educate yourself. Read the CSIS report
@MrCrumbsbody@dsimieritsch Its Lake Ontario no matter what he says.
You are letting him win by boycotting a lake he doesn't own or have any say over.
The only one who loses is your kid.
Parent of the year....
@jkenney Here you are cheerleading for tariffs. Just put on a liberal shirt Jason. Suits you better. At least he's stating facts and not liberal talking points like you.
@OneVapid@Tablesalt13 This is exactly how you show how stupid you are. The cons are not in charge DUMMY. Pierre has zero to do with LIBERAL FAILURES retard.
๐ข๐'๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ซ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐ฉ.
I'm not happy with what America is doing to Canada.
I don't put the US ahead of my own country. Ever.
That said.
This Liberal Party, under Trudeau and now Carney, has run this country into the ground on policy and economics.
๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐, ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐๐๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ข๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐จ๐ฐ๐ง ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ข๐๐ฌ.
So when you see my posts and wonder, does this guy hate Canada?
No. Not even close.
Does he want this Liberal Party to fail?
That depends on whether you think it's good for the country to keep a government that's been in power for over a decade and managed to:
โ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ง๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐ญ, ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ $๐๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ $๐.๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ $๐๐๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ง๐ง๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐๐.
โ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ข๐ฑ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ ๐ซ๐๐ฆ.
โ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ซ๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ ๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ง๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ง๐จ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ง ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฏ๐.
โ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ก ๐๐จ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ก๐ข๐ญ ๐ญ๐ฐ๐จ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐ก ๐๐ง๐ ๐ค๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ.
โ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ง๐ง๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐๐จ๐ง๐จ๐ฆ๐ฒ.
โ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฅ ๐ ๐๐ข๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐๐ฑ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง ๐ฐ๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ซ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ค๐๐๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ง๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐๐.
โ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐๐ฑ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ข๐ง๐๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐๐ค ๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ข๐ญ.
โ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐จ๐๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐ค ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฌ.
โ๐๐๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ข๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ฅ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ง๐๐๐๐๐.
โ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ค ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐๐๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง ๐๐ฌ๐ค ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ซ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐ฐ๐ซ๐๐๐ค๐๐ ๐ข๐ญ.
Then it's a resounding YES! I don't want them to fail, they've already failed miserably.
I want them to be eviscerated out of existence and I will not lament the demise of this Chinese state style socialist commie government.
๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐!
Hope that clears it up!
Vesper
@priyanshucoach7@yegwave Its not hate to point out unacceptable behavior in Canada. Don't act like a fool if you don't want to be embarrassed. Pretty simple ๐คทโโ๏ธ
My family and I escaped execution in Lebanon because Islam wanted to kill us. My parents were kidnapped by Fatah and were severely mistreated. Our home in Beirut was stolen by Palestinian Muslims. My wife's family escaped Lebanon because Islam wanted to kill them. Her ancestors escaped the Armenian genocide because Islam wanted to kill them. My grandparents escaped Syria because Islam wanted to kill them. My brother-in-law's family escaped Alexandria (Egypt) because Islam wanted to kill them. My family and I are leaving Montreal because Islam wants to kill us (the number of threats that I've received forced me to take a two-year leave from my home university). I'm moving to @olemiss /@umdeclaration to defend American liberties and freedoms from ideological threats. @LibyaLiberty, a vile Islamist who despises Jews, is now "reporting" me to my new institution because I dare criticize Islam. Imagine the chutzpah. I will NEVER stop defending the West from the dangers that it faces. Long live the United States.
This is an absolute failure of leadership.
Feel however you like about our trade war with the US.
It is absolutely unacceptable to have our government continue not to provide any certainty, clarity, plan or vision for citizens to understand, criticize, or debate.
It is their duty, as elected officials to be transparent, accountable, and honest with us.
Citizens canโt adequately debate the path forward, on these negotiations, when we get more clear information from US officials, than Canadian officials.
Iโd rather have transparency, and accountability from our own government, even if by doing that we lose some leverage at the negotiating table.
Iโm astonished weโve allowed this to go on for this long.
I have questions @NikNanos
- CTV commissioned you & promoted this poll.
- Who shaped the question & headline?
- Why was this sold as a national verdict?
- 55 year olds made up ๐ฑ๐ญ% of the raw sample.
- In Quebec, 29% said they were unsure.
- Why combine 3 provinces in 1?
๐ค
@TheoMoudakis It honestly doesn't make people mad. You just look like a bully which you are. The guy lost, he's supposedly going to lose again so why waste your time on a loser? Unless you're threatened by him, this just makes you an ass hole lol. Which you obviously are