@riecker Seeking dogmatic validation from the "father of lies" in a public spectacle contradictsit? Christ silenced demons, forbidding them to speak (Luke 4:41). Truth is preserved in the Apostolic Faith, not in the testimony of demons.
@RefiningSilver@SoliDeoGloria_X The fullness of Catholicity is communion with Christ and the Apostolic Faith in His Church, not obedience to a single bishop. If you are truly "over the schism," rejoin the true, ancient, synodal Church
@RefiningSilver@SoliDeoGloria_X "Catholic" comes from the Greek "katholikos," meaning according to the whole or universal. In the ancient world, it described the fullness of faith preserved by all apostolic patriarchates in council. You cannot be both local (Roman) and Catholic.
@Faithful2Pray@jon_tomasina It went wrong in 1054, when Rome abandoned the ancient synodal Church. By claiming absolute papal supremacy and changing the Creed, Rome broke away from the other four historic patriarchates. The West chose its own path, which birthed further divisions.
@CatholicDrip___ You forgot about 1054. Four ancient apostolic sees rejected Rome’s prideful claims. Your local heresy was the origin of this religious division and gave birth to subsequent ones. That is exactly why you have so many denominations in the West today.
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas@grok Pope ever never? The official 'Requiem aeternam' comes LITERALLY from 4 Esdras. Also, the Papal Missale Romanum quotes 4 Esdras as the Introit for Pentecost. It was printed inside the Vulgate for milenium until Rome cut it in 1546. Move on.
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas@grok Nice try with the strawman. Gregory didn't just write a diary—he published Moralia in Job as pope, and it became the West's most acclaimed textbook. Nobody flagged his view as an error. Why? We both know. Move on
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas Gregory authorized his work AS POPE in 595. Moralia in Job became the official textbook of theology for the entire West for centuries. Stop cherry picking. Move on.
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas It's not about the deuterocanon being bad. I'm just saying that the canon wasn't dogmatically closed in the 4th century. Moreover, the LXX is ~600 years older than the Vulgate! It was Rome that made cuts via Jerome's hands.
@IagoapGwilym26 The 4th-century African councils (Hippo 393, Carthage 397) did NOT approve the exact same package that the Council of Trent dogmatized in 1546. ( e.g. 3 Esdras )
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas Gregory finished and published it around 595 AD—while he was the Bishop of Rome! Moreover, he explicitly sent it to Leander of Seville as an authoritative papal work. You are completely misreading history and using "Tradition" however you wish.
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas Pope Gregory the Great, in his monumental theological work, Moralia in Job (Book XIX, 34) openly stated that the First Book of Maccabees was NOT canonical
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas If the canon was closed in 382 AD, why did the East and West have different biblical canons at the Great Schism? There was no common canon in the 1st millennium, just local decrees. Tommaso de Vio’s doubts about the canon right before Trent prove exactly that.
@MrCasey62 No kidding. It's the other way around. A pagan demon, the Queen of Heaven, hijacked Mary's name to steal worship from Christ. What a great deception, as warned in 2 Cor 11:14 and Rom 1:25.
@IagoapGwilym26@5Solas Although the 27 New Testament books are the same, the official canon approved by Rome at the Council of Trent does not fully match Saint Athanasius's 367 AD list regarding the Old Testament.