@MaloraHightower@kelvin2028972@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav nono i’m talking abt laenor being allowed inherit and rule as a velaryon and the royal family switching hands, i’ll concede the other points tho bcs that was my main issue rly
@kelvin2028972@MaloraHightower@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav oh yeah that’s true mb, but i think in op’s world, laenor would be king and house velaryon would be the ruling house, so rhaenyra/any targaryen he’d marry wouldn’t be of higher standing anymore if ya get me
@MaloraHightower@kelvin2028972@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav i think the closest thing you’d get is again, children being born into the husband’s house, and when the oldest inherits their mothers title they take the mothers name, that’s not a matrilineal marriage, but it’s the closest you can get (outside dorne ofc)
@MaloraHightower@kelvin2028972@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav sry im v much not trying to be rude iv jus been talking abt this for hrs and hrs lmao my brain is kinda fried. i just don’t think a ‘matrilineal’ type marriage contract would exist in a misogynistic westeros, where it’s pre-agreed children will take their mothers name at birth
@kelvin2028972@MaloraHightower@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav tommen is the perfect example yeah, imagine tywin letting him inherit casterly rock as a baratheon lmfao, there’s absolutely a case for inheriting ‘family names’ alongside titles
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav + no they didn’t, i’d assume because robert overthrew the targaryen dynasty and conquered the throne, but i’d argue that if prior to the events of the rebellion every targ died, and robert was the closest living relative, he’d take the name too when ascending the throne
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav in your universe where this happens, if rhaenyra dies early or is infertile, the ruling targaryen dynasty ends, it’s so blatantly common sense the risk of that alone would dissuade any ruler from allowing it to happen
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav yes. ruling ladies existed, westerosi houses are thousands of years old, it’s be impossible for them not to exist, and the heirs of those women most likely took their mothers name to ensure the survival of the house, nowhere there does it state they were married matrilineally
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav faith would absolutely demand it happen, lets say hypothetically laenor refused to do it, he’d more than likely be rebelled against and deemed a usurper, the targaryen name is intrinsically tied to legitimacy, and what your suggesting is antithetical to hereditary monarchy (2/2)
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav nah sry there’s no way. outside of dorne there isn’t even any precedent for matrilineal marriages, allowing another house to supplant the royal family would create chaos, not only would jaehaerys demand hed take the targaryen name, his small council would advise it and the (1/2)
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav sry but that is bonkers and no targaryen in the history of asoiaf would ever allow anything close to that even happen, they’d be forfeiting their right to being the ‘rightful rulers’ and giving that right to another house, it’d cause a succession crisis 10x worse than the dance
@Fksaintat@SkeptSlav having the royal family switch dynasties would be a political disaster, make much more sense for laenor to take the targaryen name when he inherits, same as jacaerys would’ve done
@sonb0t@TENSI0NHEAD@TheBoysOOCC be so fucking fr. homelander is insecure, needy, emotionally unstable, volatile, his entire being is a performance, wesker is calculating, restrained, actually believes in his own superiority and is waaaaay more contained. ‘minor adjustments’ lol
@LionsInTheCamp @YousifOfBabylon @westerosies tbf it was just to avoid general audiences being confused with another valyrian family that looks mostly identical to the targs with extremely similar names, kinda wrote themselves into a corner though, (jaehaerys in ep 1 of hotd should surely be mixed lol)