No, Mark—you made the claim, so engage the text instead of deflecting.
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (ESV): ‘Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.’
This is church order (see 1 Tim 3:1-7 on elders: ‘husband of one wife,’ able to teach). Grounded in creation, not culture. The Great Commission is for all believers to make disciples, but distinctions in roles remain.
Freedom in Christ is freedom from sin and to obey God’s Word—not freedom to ignore clear instructions on church leadership (1 Cor 14:33-40, Titus 1-2).
On alcohol: No ‘thou shalt not drink’ verse, but strong warnings against drunkenness (Eph 5:18, Prov 20:1, Gal 5:21) and calls to sobriety/self-control. Abstinence can be wise application (Rom 14); the issues aren’t parallel.
Doctrines come from the whole counsel of Scripture (2 Tim 3:16-17), not just exact phrases. What does the text say?
Sola Scriptura does not mean Scripture is the only authority; it means Scripture alone is the only infallible authority. The Church does not give the Bible its authority—God does. The Church recognized the canon; it did not create it. Jesus and the apostles consistently appealed to Scripture as the final court of appeal (Matt. 4:4,7,10; Acts 17:11; 2 Tim. 3:16–17). If there is no biblical precedent for invoking departed saints, then Christians should not bind consciences to such practices. Tradition is valuable, but it must always be tested by the God-breathed Word, not placed alongside it as an equal source of revelation.
No, the apostles did not contradict one another on the core truths of the faith. You are conflating human frailty in practice with doctrinal error in teaching. That is a fatal category error.
• Peter’s failure at Antioch was hypocrisy under pressure, not a change in gospel doctrine. Paul corrected him publicly, and Peter later affirmed the same truth (Acts 15; 2 Peter 3:15-16 calls Paul’s writings “Scripture”).
• Paul and James: Perfect harmony—one destroys legalism (faith alone justifies), the other destroys antinomianism (true faith produces works). Both teach the same gospel.
• The “tensions” you list are the normal richness of unified Scripture under one Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21). They resolve beautifully in context. They are not license to add new scriptures that overthrow the Bible.
Joseph Smith, by contrast, introduced irreconcilable contradictions:
• The Bible: One eternal, triune God who never had a beginning (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; Psalm 90:2). Smith: God was once a man who progressed to godhood and has a father-god before him.
• The Bible: Jesus is the eternal Word, fully God, Creator of all, not a created being (John 1:1-3, 14; Colossians 1:15-17). Smith: Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer.
• The Bible: Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:28; Titus 3:5). Smith: Grace after all you can do, plus temple works, proxy ordinances, and eternal progression to godhood.
That is not “development.” That is another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). Scripture does not give us permission to restore what God says is “once for all handed down” (Jude 3). The canon is closed. Sola Scriptura.
You are defending a false prophet who fails every biblical test (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20-22; Matthew 7:15-20). This is not a debate over minor disagreements among godly men. This is the difference between the true Christ of Scripture and a counterfeit.
No, these are not contradictions—they are complementary truths from the same Holy Spirit who inspired every word of Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:21). The apostles do not contradict one another on core doctrine. Apparent tensions are resolved by careful context, not by inventing a new gospel 1800 years later.
1. Paul and James (Faith & Works): No contradiction. Paul destroys works-righteousness (justification before God by faith alone—Romans 3:28; 4:5; Galatians 2:16). James destroys dead faith (true justifying faith produces works—James 2:14-26). Both affirm the same truth: we are justified by faith, and genuine faith works. One gospel, two fronts against different errors. Perfect harmony.
2-3. Paul and Peter (Gentiles & Antioch): Peter’s hypocrisy under pressure is rebuked (Galatians 2:11-14), but Peter himself affirmed the same truth at the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15). This is not doctrinal contradiction—it is a failure in practice, publicly corrected. The gospel to the Gentiles stood firm. Apostles were not sinless; they were inspired in their teaching.
4. Paul and John (Grace & Obedience): Again, harmony. Paul: saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9). John: the one who claims to know Christ but does not keep His commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4). True grace produces obedience. Same message.
5. Christ’s Return: No contradiction. The New Testament holds both the imminency of Christ’s return (be ready!) and the certainty that God’s timing is perfect (2 Peter 3:8-9). Every generation is called to live as if He could return today—while knowing the full plan unfolds in God’s sovereignty. This is not “development” into error; it is consistent biblical tension.
Cherry-picking surface tensions while ignoring the massive, irreconcilable contradictions of Joseph Smith does not help your case—it exposes it. Smith taught:
• A different God (an evolved man with a physical body and a father-god before him—not the eternal, self-existent triune God of Scripture).
• A different Jesus (spirit-brother of Lucifer, not the eternal Word who is God—John 1:1, 14; Colossians 1:15-17).
• A different gospel (grace after all you can do, plus temple rites, proxy baptisms, and progression to godhood—Galatians 1:8-9).
The Bible gives one consistent revelation of the one true God, the eternal Son, and salvation by grace alone through faith alone. Joseph Smith added whole new scriptures and doctrines that flatly contradict it. That is why he fails the biblical test of a prophet (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20-22).
The faith was “once for all handed down” (Jude 3). It needs no restoration. The canon is closed. Sola Scriptura
No, that is not what I am saying. The true prophets and apostles of Scripture agree perfectly because they were all carried along by the same Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21). They proclaimed one consistent gospel—the eternal, unchanging gospel of the one true God who has always existed, the triune God revealed in Scripture, and Jesus Christ, the eternal Son, the Creator and Redeemer (John 1:1-3, 14; Colossians 1:15-17; Hebrews 1:1-3).
True prophets do not contradict previous revelation. They build upon it. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Joseph Smith, however, introduced a different God (an exalted man who was once like us, with a father and mother in heaven), a different Jesus (a spirit-brother of Lucifer, not the eternal God), and a different gospel (salvation by grace after all we can do, plus temple rituals, eternal progression to godhood). That is precisely what Scripture condemns:
“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!” (Galatians 1:8-9)
Joseph Smith claimed an angel gave him new revelation that restores a “lost” gospel and adds entire books and doctrines that flatly contradict the Bible. That makes him a false prophet by the Bible’s own standard (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20-22; Matthew 7:15-20; 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15).
The Bible is sufficient. “The faith which was once for all handed down to the saints” (Jude 3) needs no restoration. The canon is closed. Sola Scriptura.
Joseph Smith preached “another Jesus” and “a different spirit” and “a different gospel.” Scripture says such men are false apostles, and we are to reject them outright. There is no middle ground.
The Bereans were commended not for praying about Paul’s message, but for testing it against Scripture (Acts 17:11). If the Bible is incomplete, where does Scripture say that? Jude 3 says the faith was ‘once for all delivered to the saints.’ Joseph Smith taught that God was once a man, that men can become gods, and that many gods exist. Those teachings do not agree with the prophets, apostles, or Christ revealed in Scripture. A true prophet confirms God’s Word; he doesn’t contradict it.
If Joseph Smith was a true prophet, his teachings would agree with the prophets and apostles God already gave us. Scripture warns that even if someone claims visions or revelations, they are to be rejected if they preach a different gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). The issue isn’t whether Joseph claimed to usher in a dispensation; it’s whether his message agrees with the Christ revealed in Scripture.
@dayjeff@UtahBrad@farmingandJesus If Mormons receive Christ as their savior then they would not be Mormon anymore. That means they would recognize that Joseph Smith was a false prophet.