@Portergauge i can't say i understand why they write characters this way sometimes. it's like they don't appreciate/care that these characters (Turalyon, Rommath, even Nathanos back in the day) have fans that want to support them
@Portergauge it's a trend with Blizzard writing that i've come to really dislike - from Turalyon as a zealous, stupid idiot solely to have other characters look smarter, from Rommath as a hateful, stuck-in-his-ways guy who has his legitimate grievances swept away to prop up Umbric..
@lepidopterrors@NotAmberBerries even the war of the thorns was justified in a similar way in the novellas, in a sense that it tracks in-universe -- sylvanas' argument to saurfang is that the wars between the alliance and the horde will never end, so they need to strike hard, fast, and first.. and he accepts it!
all the characters we see that are nominally "Alliance" never really get to rep it in any way that isn't neutralslop or, in Turalyon's case, in service to being an antagonistic punching bag
as an alliance player I get nothing out of turalyon being treated as stupid
the horde (proper) is certainly missing from Midnight, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend the actual Alliance is there, either
blizzard doesn't understand what the Alliance is just as much as they don't understand what the Horde is
@Typerighting cataclysm is frankly full of lore that is contradictory and stupid so i think it's perfectly sensible to ignore large portions of it for sanity/consistency/personal enjoyment
@Typerighting personally, blizzard's poor attempts at canon matter very little to my own grappling with lore, and i think the same is true for any rper who will ultimately ignore what they will to facilitate their own rp
@Typerighting blizzard says time and time again that this group or that one was wiped out and then undoes it in a patch, and those exploring azeroth books are so terrible/contradictory that im not liable to treat them as conductive to fun lore or roleplay
point being, ymmv with "canon".
@Typerighting they appear to be a mix of mages and warlocks, casters of all varieties. i don't really agree that the shen'dralar are only a few hundred in number - they were a whole ancient highborne city, after all - but i think we're just operating on different lore interpretations atp
@Typerighting i can't say i agree, because we see shen'dralar even in amirdrassil who are portrayed as fel-using warlocks (Azj'Tordin) who certainly don't register as repentant Highborne in the slightest - but, i also don't think blizzard has been very consistent in its handling of it
@Typerighting i just don't understand the fandom's obsession with "accountability" for its fictional characters or people treating it like everyone needs to get equal points in on the other team
it's that kind of thinking that lead to those god-awful odyn quests in DF
that certainly wasn't his characterization before, and Arthas gets butchered in those novels too, as does Jaina. it was all to facilitate a cliche love triangle that wasn't really meant to exist.
Golden is a bad writer for many reasons, and those god-awful novels are a big part
kael'thas being done dirty runs deep, and a lot of people don't realize that
it isn't just wc3 to TBC (although that is terrible), but novels set before WC3 written after that involve Kael'thas - the Arthas novels - writing him as a petulant entitled baby
@Typerighting it's quite good! they're using words i've never seen them use before. they're talking about politics, culture - the subfactions of belves are all competing for war bonds from the aristocracy, the world feels really grounded and realized for once
@Portergauge this game needs more unresolved conflicts, and i think silvermoon has shown they're interested in actually telling those kinds of stories where everything isn't just wrapped up at the end
@Portergauge i appreciate that they're not having the breadbasket guild and cecilia fix everything wrong with Stormwind - the House of Nobles is as corrupt as ever, and frankly, i hope that never actually changes. it's good to have the internal strife.. but i don't actually want it resolved
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