@al_blackdale Ultimately yes, though since it seems there was no intention to do something that took more advantage of the material, the opposite extreme could have at least made it feel more cohesive.
Would I have enjoyed it? Probably not ๐
hot DCU takes before it becomes irrelevant to have them:
-Superman: the Mister Terrific fight was boring
-Supergirl: finale needledrop was fine, just weirdly placed
-Lanterns: Should have had even less powers/action
-Clayface: Not terrible, but belonged in Chapter 2
@al_blackdale The paltry amount only served as reminder/teaser of things that never manifested. If they'd further committed to a no-rings no-powers detective story it could have strengthened the character study even more by tightening the lens on how this case was out-of-element for both men.
VisionQuest -- the Billy mentions, and lack thereof, have been soooo weird.
has Tommy mentioned him a single time, or had literally any reaction to the few times Vision has said his name?
I can't figure out if it's on purpose or not, it's weird.
I'm confused by VisionQuest - feels like AoU took lengths to establish that Jarvis was *not* artificial intelligence - while Ultron and Vision were, due to the mind stone.
So how could Proto-One/JIM be intelligent, if it was the basis for Jarvis? Don't these scenes contradict?
@x_pacaud To bolster your point, I recall in Winter Soldier, Zola's computer - who precedes both Vision and P-One - also utters the phrase "I am". While he likely didn't achieve it in the same method as Carrington, it does add another facet to the spectrum of sentient tech in the MCU.
@HayDawg2006 I understand that, but I do feel one of the strengths of the MCU was being able to hold onto a coherent thread above the melting pot of comics, and had a good track record of course-correcting on other continuity 'stumbles'.
@Autisticosaurus I would prefer it a lot more as them all representing literal fragments of him, rather than code he has since scanned in or anything like that.
@x_pacaud and leaves me wanting more grief or melancholy when he loses Jarvis when creating Vision.
It also adds a bad taste if Tony can emotionlessly swap out Jarvis for another feeling entity in Friday - just because they don't pass the Mind Stone test of 'true' beings.
@x_pacaud But P-One being sentient to that degree goes against Tony expressing in AoU that Jarvis began as a UI, and his overall treatment of him. If Jarvis is thinking and feeling to a level expressed by P-One, that retroactively adds ethical discomfort to what Tony used him for,
@Autisticosaurus I do love all those moments ๐
Just trying to get a grasp on their terminology in VQ still, I guess. Maybe there will be more clarity in the final episodes
@x_pacaud If that's the case, then what was the Mind Stone actually contributing to Ultron, if Proto-One could think and feel on the level of Vision already? The "I am" line in AoU is very much used to emphasize how Vision is unique, but using it for Proto-One dilutes that, doesn't it?
@omegafreelancer Doesn't Bruce's remark that the mind stone code looks like it's "thinking" tie directly into his revelation of "artificial intelligence"?
What was the mind stone actually contributing to Ultron, if Proto-One could already think and feel on the level of Vision?