mi

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[mi @mariifuh]

@galadrielslove They don't care about that, they don't have enough time to keep track of it

[mi @mariifuh]

Unpopular opinion: giving Leon the ring wasn’t a mistake, the fact that shippers went berserk over this is entirely their own problem. Capcom isn’t forcing any of them to behave abominably and stupid.

[Grace ☣︎ @leon_pilled]

unpopular opinion ig but giving Leon the ring was a big mistake

[Donatellowenergy @donatellowenerg]

Ashley and Leon (re4remake) #residentevil #leonskennedy #ashleygraham

[mi @mariifuh]

Who was it that said Ashley is an insignificant character?

[【公式】モンハン酒場 @MHSB_official]

「バイオハザード」シリーズ30周年を記念し、
パセラリゾーツ×「バイオハザード」コラボの開催が決定！

開催期間:2026.10.13~11.30
開催店舗:モンハン酒場(東京・秋葉原)/モンハン酒場WEST(大阪・なんば)

1996年3月22日の第一作発売から、数々の恐怖と興奮を世界中のゲームファンに届けてきた「バイオハザード」シリーズ。
様々な陰謀が交錯する物語、息つく暇もなく襲い掛かるゾンビやクリーチャーから生き残るための、独自のサバイバルアクションで多くのファンを魅了してきました。

そして今年、「バイオハザード」シリーズは30周年という大きな節目を迎えます。
そんな記念すべき30周年を祝して、パセラリゾーツとのコラボレーションが開催決定！

モンハン酒場では、カラオケパセラでご提供するフードメニューの一部と、
シリーズを彩るキャラクターをイメージしたドリンクメニューをご提供いたします。

パセラリゾーツで「バイオハザード」シリーズ30周年を一緒にお祝いしよう！
皆さまのご来店をお待ちしております。

👇ご予約はこちらから
https://t.co/8Nbn2U80pf

[mi @mariifuh]

It’s quite amusing to watch how some of cleons are trying to get a handle on the japanese language specifically (now) the parts involving Ashley rather than Ada and constantly run to Masa (who is also cleon) for help just to feel a little better about themselves.

[mi @mariifuh]

Leon could still have handed her this phone

[Neon Slice @NeonSlice]

Ashley and her flip phone from Resident Evil 4's cut chapter 0

[mi @mariifuh]

@Vizsaclo Read it

[Sapphire Weapon @Sapphire1Weapon]

Quick clarification, since there's still confusion. The most literal word-for-word translation of the caption between Leon and Ashley on the relationship chart, irrespective of English grammar rules, would be:

"Los Illuminados cult incident experience and affection harbor?"

The Japanese text is using a tense that doesn't exist in the English language, which is why it sounds so wrong written out in English that way. It also uses undefined object markers in sentences in order to link nouns to verbs, on top of the fact that the Japanese language puts verbs at the end of sentences as a rule, whereas English almost always does not.

If we flip the nouns/verbs to sound more natural in English, the sentence becomes:

"Experience Los Illuminados cult incident and harbor affection?"

It's up to a translator to either keep it the way it is and have it read very awkwardly in its current state, or to use context found elsewhere in the text to localize it more naturally.

This is why machine translations suck. An AI will try to localize without context, which usually ends up changing the meaning of the sentence to an English speaker all together.

A human, on the other hand, can look at the rest of the chart and understand:
▫️ The header specifies that the relationships are defined in the chart "as of 2026"
▫️ The footer specifies that the chart only covers RE4 Remake and omits OG, so the caption cannot be referring to Ashley's dialogue in OG
▫️ Other relationships between other characters that only exist/develop within specific brackets of time outside of 2026 are noted as such (Claire&Steve, The BSAA&Ethan, Leon&Sherry, etc.)
▫️ The caption between Leon and Ashley has no specific time marker like the examples above, and the caption itself is written in non-past tense (which is non-specific and could mean present or future)

And, at that point, the human brain melts a little bit while you sit there going, "Well, what the fuck does THAT mean, then?" while the Japanese text stares back going, "It's vague on purpose, stupid. Deal with it."

So, your human brain tries to make sense of it. And as a human who can see that the chart specifies "as of 2026" and yet also knows that the Los Illuminados incident happened 22 years prior to that, MOST localizers will change the "and" in the sentence to "after" or "following."

So, the sentence is now:

"After experiencing Los Illuminados cult incident, harbors affection?"

Some translators will stop there because it's coherent *enough* in English without straying too far from the Japanese.

Others will want to go a step further and swap the clauses to make it more legible to an English audience, but that creates new problems in English, because the sentence would therefore become:

"Harbors affection after experiencing Los Illuminados cult incident?"

So, the next step is to define the object markers. The sentence then becomes:

"Harbors affection for [Leon] after experiencing the Los Illuminados cult incident?"

But that's still not great, because that's just not how native English speakers talk. We don't typically say that someone "harbors affection" for someone else, the word "cult" is redundant because we already know that Los Illuminados was a cult, and the word "experiencing" in that sentence is also redundant because the incident itself is obviously something that was experienced.

This is where the editorializing happens in localizations.

Someone pushing a pro-EagleOne agenda could very easily localize this sentence as: "Do feelings develop after the Los Illuminados incident?"

Another person who doesn't like the ship could very easily localize this sentence as: "Does she feel affection for him because of the Los Illuminados incident?"

-- and both readings would be technically defensible.

The most neutral and most localized version of the caption is probably somewhere in the ballpark of:

"Affection felt following the Los Illuminados incident?"

Because this version:
✅ Retains the original lack of explicit subject/object
✅ Retains the sense of the word "harbor"
✅ Retains the same vague sense of time and place
✅ Doesn't overly define the object markers
✅ Remains ambiguous as to the causal relationship between the affection and the Los Illuminados incident

I just wanted to type this all out so that people understand how things get mixed up or lost in translation.

The caption between Leon and Ashley is very, very vague and stands out as very, very odd in the context of the rest of the chart. No one else has a caption like this between them.

The only other ones who come close are Claire and Steve, but the question between them is how deep or true the feelings between them actually were during the events of CV -- not whether feelings existed at all, or when, or felt by whom.

It's a weird, ambiguous thing that the creators of the chart wrote. Let it be weird and ambiguous. It appears to be a deliberate choice by the creator(s) to refuse to give a concrete definition or answer, so we shouldn't try to take it on ourselves to force one.

❗️ This is something I'd normally only post to Patreon, but I felt obligated to at least try to de-shittify the conversation around this as an act of public good. ❗️

[Sapphire Weapon @Sapphire1Weapon]

Quick clarification, since there's still confusion. The most literal word-for-word translation of the caption between Leon and Ashley on the relationship chart, irrespective of English grammar rules, would be:

"Los Illuminados cult incident experience and affection harbor?"

The Japanese text is using a tense that doesn't exist in the English language, which is why it sounds so wrong written out in English that way. It also uses undefined object markers in sentences in order to link nouns to verbs, on top of the fact that the Japanese language puts verbs at the end of sentences as a rule, whereas English almost always does not.

If we flip the nouns/verbs to sound more natural in English, the sentence becomes:

"Experience Los Illuminados cult incident and harbor affection?"

It's up to a translator to either keep it the way it is and have it read very awkwardly in its current state, or to use context found elsewhere in the text to localize it more naturally.

This is why machine translations suck. An AI will try to localize without context, which usually ends up changing the meaning of the sentence to an English speaker all together.

A human, on the other hand, can look at the rest of the chart and understand:
▫️ The header specifies that the relationships are defined in the chart "as of 2026"
▫️ The footer specifies that the chart only covers RE4 Remake and omits OG, so the caption cannot be referring to Ashley's dialogue in OG
▫️ Other relationships between other characters that only exist/develop within specific brackets of time outside of 2026 are noted as such (Claire&Steve, The BSAA&Ethan, Leon&Sherry, etc.)
▫️ The caption between Leon and Ashley has no specific time marker like the examples above, and the caption itself is written in non-past tense (which is non-specific and could mean present or future)

And, at that point, the human brain melts a little bit while you sit there going, "Well, what the fuck does THAT mean, then?" while the Japanese text stares back going, "It's vague on purpose, stupid. Deal with it."

So, your human brain tries to make sense of it. And as a human who can see that the chart specifies "as of 2026" and yet also knows that the Los Illuminados incident happened 22 years prior to that, MOST localizers will change the "and" in the sentence to "after" or "following."

So, the sentence is now:

"After experiencing Los Illuminados cult incident, harbors affection?"

Some translators will stop there because it's coherent *enough* in English without straying too far from the Japanese.

Others will want to go a step further and swap the clauses to make it more legible to an English audience, but that creates new problems in English, because the sentence would therefore become:

"Harbors affection after experiencing Los Illuminados cult incident?"

So, the next step is to define the object markers. The sentence then becomes:

"Harbors affection for [Leon] after experiencing the Los Illuminados cult incident?"

But that's still not great, because that's just not how native English speakers talk. We don't typically say that someone "harbors affection" for someone else, the word "cult" is redundant because we already know that Los Illuminados was a cult, and the word "experiencing" in that sentence is also redundant because the incident itself is obviously something that was experienced.

This is where the editorializing happens in localizations.

Someone pushing a pro-EagleOne agenda could very easily localize this sentence as: "Do feelings develop after the Los Illuminados incident?"

Another person who doesn't like the ship could very easily localize this sentence as: "Does she feel affection for him because of the Los Illuminados incident?"

-- and both readings would be technically defensible.

The most neutral and most localized version of the caption is probably somewhere in the ballpark of:

"Affection felt following the Los Illuminados incident?"

Because this version:
✅ Retains the original lack of explicit subject/object
✅ Retains the sense of the word "harbor"
✅ Retains the same vague sense of time and place
✅ Doesn't overly define the object markers
✅ Remains ambiguous as to the causal relationship between the affection and the Los Illuminados incident

I just wanted to type this all out so that people understand how things get mixed up or lost in translation.

The caption between Leon and Ashley is very, very vague and stands out as very, very odd in the context of the rest of the chart. No one else has a caption like this between them.

The only other ones who come close are Claire and Steve, but the question between them is how deep or true the feelings between them actually were during the events of CV -- not whether feelings existed at all, or when, or felt by whom.

It's a weird, ambiguous thing that the creators of the chart wrote. Let it be weird and ambiguous. It appears to be a deliberate choice by the creator(s) to refuse to give a concrete definition or answer, so we shouldn't try to take it on ourselves to force one.

❗️ This is something I'd normally only post to Patreon, but I felt obligated to at least try to de-shittify the conversation around this as an act of public good. ❗️

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish The verb 抱 is used in the non-past form. In jp the Los Illuminados incident is a past event, but the feeling itself is currently being experienced / continues NOW. And the ?" mark implies something left unsaid.

[mi @mariifuh]

Honestly it makes me laugh when people think Ashley’s feelings are one-sided just because the arrow points only from Ashley to Leon. I hope the people who speak Japanese ruin your day.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish Question mark "?" In the schemes, Capcom denotes rumors, uncertainty or unconfirmed plot status and not at all a completed romantic fact.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish The fact that Ashley is not endowed with active bilateral agency ties in 2026 is related to her status as a civilian, whose story arc was completed in 2004, and not to the ban on feelings or one sided feeling. They’ve already spoiled enough as it is.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish And calling a potential future reveal “shipper mentality” doesn't make your interpretation more factual. You're allowed to interpret the current chart one way, you just can't turn an omitted statement into a canon confirmation of the opposite.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish Everything beyond that “therefore Leon doesn't reciprocate,” “therefore Ashley cannot be his wife” is your interpretation, not something the chart actually states.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish The chart supports the very specific statement that Ashley's feelings toward Leon are explicitly acknowledged to this day while Leon's side is not specified. She wouldn't harbor feelings for him all these years without a reason.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish The chart supports the very specific statement that Ashley's feelings toward Leon are explicitly acknowledged while Leon's side is not specified. And let's not forget that the description was in the present tense and said, "is experiencing feelings after the incident?"

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish The current description itself doesn't say “Leon doesn't reciprocate.” It explicitly leaves Leon's feelings unanswered. That's an absence of information, not a negative confirmation. So no, “it looks exactly the way it looks” doesn't end the discussion.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish There is no arrow in new so you can't conclude that it's one-sided. And saying “the chart has already been updated for cleve doesn't prove that Ashley/Leon can never be updated. It proves relationship information in these materials can change when new information is introduced.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish In fact the older archives material you are comparing it to already shows that the arrows can represent different kinds of connections Ashley's “likes” arrow points toward Leon, while Leon's connection is described through his rescue mission for her.

[mi @mariifuh]

@alicevish Ashley >> Leon indicates that Ashley's feelings toward Leon are explicitly acknowledged. It does NOT say “Leon doesn't reciprocate” “Leon has no feelings for her,” or “Ashley can never become his wife.” Your Steve/Claire comparison doesn't prove this either.