That is an incredibly easy thing to say for those of us who have never been forced to make that choice. Also keep in mind that in the 60s and 70s the internet didn’t exist. You couldn’t go on twitter and see first hand reports from Vietnamese people about what was happening to them in real time. All you heard was military propaganda pushed on the media (radio and TV) by the US government. The men who were conscripted didn’t know what was going on over there until they were already there.
And speaking for my father specifically, he actually did try to leave the country. His father called him a traitor for even considering it and his mother guilted him out of it because “if you leave the country you’ll be a fugitive and I’ll never see you again.” Which is obviously absurd because she was even less likely to see him again if he died in a war, but that’s beside the point. He was 19 years old, far too young to be forced to make that kind of choice.
Also, remember that military recruitment, conscription or not, specifically targets 18 year olds. These aren’t fully formed adults with the life experience and wisdom to sit here and reason about these things like we are. They’re kids. Kids who are gullible and easy to manipulate. “Legal adult” sure but those of us older than 25 know an 18 year old isn’t really an adult outside of legal status. The government can groom kids through propaganda the same way a 40 year old man can groom a young girl into thinking her relationship with a man twice her age is “good actually.” That’s what the military does, it grooms children into submission and obedience.
I’m not going to pretend that every US soldier in Vietnam was as I describe. Yes, a lot of them did do horrific things. My father knew many of them. But broad strokes painting every single veteran as EVIL is also fucking vile. Nothing in this world is that black and white.
The thing about war is most of the soldiers on any side of the conflict don’t want to be there, and they are put into a life or death situation where the only choices are kill or be killed. And unless you’ve actually BEEN in a war you can’t ever begin to comprehend what war is really like. And those who get sent to war really, truly do not know what they’ve signed up for (or been forced into) until they’re in the thick of it and it’s too late to back out.
Also, dodging conscription is a lot easier said than done. It’s easy to sit here and say “well they could have dodged the draft” when you have no fucking idea what may have been going on in their lives, how feasible it was, or what the consequences would be.
Instead of directing hatred at veterans, many of whom are disabled and homeless in a country that doesn’t give a shit about them (despite how much we scream “support the troops”), direct hatred at the oligarchs and politicians who sent them off to war in the first place.
@transjewtalian@moonlittoxicity Like this is actually such a garbage take completely lacking nuance or any basic fucking understanding of the system we live in
I understand where you’re coming from but this actually infuriates me, despite my hatred for the military, because my father was DRAFTED into Vietnam. And the shit he was forced to do has fucked him up for the last 55 years. He never wanted to be there, he wasn’t given a choice.
And even those who volunteered, many of them were young and stupid and fell for the overwhelming military propaganda. Many were poor and saw it as the only way to get an education. There are so many reasons people join the military and most of them are not a desire to take part in murder and war. Yes, some absolutely join so they can kill people without consequences. That’s not the majority. Most genuinely want to serve their country and protect the people they love. They don’t find out until much later that that’s not what the military actually does.
The military brainwashes people into blind obedience, and spits them back out into a system that leaves them to rot, assuming they survive.
I despise the military and the government BECAUSE my dad is a veteran, and I know what it does to people. Veterans aren’t evil, they’re victims.
The problem is that data centers in the context of the internet and data centers in the context of AI aren’t distinct entities, so the separation you’re implying doesn’t exist. The DC I work at has old school cloud storage hosts and machine learning hosts in the same building. The machines hosting ChatGPT could be a few racks over from the machines hosting Netflix (I don’t know where either of these are actually hosted I’m just illustrating a point). There’s an argument to be made that we aren’t doing a good enough job of regulating the massive ML exclusive data centers some companies are building, and I would agree with you. But the fact remains that data centers are essential infrastructure in modern society, just like power plants and water treatment facilities. Your problem isn’t with data centers, it’s with the AI bubble (which is beginning to collapse), lack of regulation, and corporate greed
“Legitimizing data centers” data centers have existed since the 1940s (I’m not joking, look it up) and have been the backbone of the internet since it launched in the 90s, they’re as essential to the internet as power plants are to the electrical grid. Nobody cared until they started training LLMs with stolen artwork to generate slop. We can discuss the ethics of generative AI or vibecoding but gen AI didn’t invent the need for data centers, they’ve been here longer than the Internet itself. I respect you Cloudy and I’m not trying to come for you but please educate yourself more about this topic. Slamming data centers while actively posting and gaining a following (and paying for premium) on websites like this one that are hosted entirely in data centers is deeply ironic.
Sincerely, a fellow trans girly who works at a data center but actively rejects a lot of the AI my industry is trying to push
My guy, democrats are still conservative. There is no leftist party in the United States. We may have gotten some of the worst of the worst out of office, which is good! But this isn’t a “giant leap in the opposite direction,” is just a small step back towards the status quo and SLIGHTLY away from the absurdity of the last two years. This isn’t some great progressive movement it’s just damage control
We’re not placing our hope in them we’re just doing damage control. Democrats are fucking awful but republicans are objectively worse (especially for those of us in marginalized communities) and removing them from office was the only goal. Unfortunately in this country our only options are bad and worse. At the very least with my state having a democratic governor for the first time in sixteen years I feel far less under threat that I’m going to lose access to my HRT, be forced to change my IDs back to male, etc. We’re still living in a late capitalist hellscape but at least I’m less concerned about my basic ass human rights now and I’m a little less scared of trans people being genocided out of existence by our own government. We take victories when we can, no matter how minuscule they may be in the grand reality of our abhorrent system.
Most of my closest friends are cis women because I’ve known them since long before I transitioned. Even some of my more recent friends are cis women. I do tend to befriend trans women more often these days because that’s mainly my social circle now but like, we’re all women, who cares? Such a ridiculous thing to fight on https://t.co/DPC6pcwWPy about