Your friendly neighborhood Greek-American (Deep Maniot, J2a). Interested in philosophy & anthropology. Mostly use this platform to engage with researchers. Opa.
@iosif_lazaridis Indeed. I'm annoyed by this impulse to deny the Greek ethnic coherence just because they were called something else at x,y,z points in the past. Greeks have had many names since the BA. We can debate their emic self-conceptions over time but etically "Greek" does the job fine.
@tabahazaX@iosif_lazaridis It wouldn't matter if the BA-IA profile was replaced by Morlocks from the Time Machine. These East Med people were the heirs to classical Greece; there's nothing else they could've been called but Greek (or some synonym). No respectable etic perspective is equipped to deny this.
@iosif_lazaridis It's astonishing how many Nordicist imbeciles here and everywhere else on X are incapable of understanding a single point you, I, or anyone else in the reality-based community have made on this topic, Iosif. Could you imagine what our ancestors would've thought of these fools?π
@ksorbs Says the guy that never looked like Hercules either. The actors playing Greeks in Troy were no more phenotypically credible in those roles so we all know what your real problem is. You don't mind N. Euro actors playing Med roles; you're just triggered by minorities you don't like
@PRNDL1234@PhilippusArabus It's my country, too, asshole, best of luck! And please remind the class again how deep your roots in fucking Montana go, too. I guess you have nothing to say about the facts I dropped about ancient Greeks. The truth that they're closer to Jews really pisses you off, doesn't it?
@Aquilifer7@PhilippusArabus Modern Greeks, including the most Slavic-mixed ones, are still closer to Jews than to any N. Euro pop. Your desperate dismissal is even more hilarious considering I am in fact half-Northwestern European and closer to Northern Euros genetically than any ancient Greek ever was.
@CeltIbericP I only accept individual coordinates so if you'd like to DM me the individuals that make up this average I can look into including them for the next update.
The Greek DNA project that I'm a part of have collected over 900 Greek samples from all corners of the Greek world (both public samples and private ones we've vetted). Attached is a West Eurasian PCA (Eurogenes G25-based) featuring these Greeks in aqua.
@iosif_lazaridis π―Imagine giving Einstein's great-great-great-(etc.)-grandparents credit for relativity. Genomics aside, crediting Yamnaya (or Corded Ware) for the accomplishments of every subsequent IE-speaking culture is peak stupidity even if that group was 100% descended from them.
@iosif_lazaridis I wonder why everyone it depicts is so extremely attractive. That command is not in the prompt but somehow it assumes this experiment should present like a travel brochure, model good looks and all.
@Of_Bourke Moreas is just a pen name; my actual patronymic is Thomakos and because of my adoption history (and the fact that my biological father's family had moved to Athens before I was born), that kind of information is just not known to me.
I am very pleased to have served as one of the subjects for my friend Leonidas' deep (pun intended) research into Deep Maniot Y-haplogroups. What an awesome paper! Congrats, Leo and team!
https://t.co/g3VQMivjKK
@geokaragianni@oguzhantekden By Roman Greek profile I'm talking about the one most typical of Greece from Rome's conquest of Greece in 146 BCE to the Migration Period. Obviously post-Migration Era medieval Greeks were Roman, too, but I was referring to the pre-Slavic-mixed profile that formed in antiquity.
@iosif_lazaridis Hear hear! There many philhellenes out there that aren't descended of any Greek pop. that show more appreciation for the culture than even many blood Greeks do. It's very flattering that so many non-Greek scholars have dedicated their lives to understanding our people's history.
@tabahazaX@iosif_lazaridis You're just lying here. If you followed Laz's Twitter posts you would know he posts Byzantine-relevant material all the damn time. The idea that he ignores Roman Greece is preposterous.
@geokaragianni@oguzhantekden My old theory that the Hellenistic saw the first real East Med shift in Greece has been vindicated by the latest study. Still, sourcing the Levantine (Antiochian?) & Paleobalkan (Macedonian?) shift seen in post-BA W. Anatolian samples is crucial here b/c it affected Greece, too.
@geokaragianni@oguzhantekden The assumption that modern Greeks are identical to ancient ones is a nice idea but it just ain't so. The islands show a lot more continuity than the mainland with ONE kind of ancient Greek profile (the Roman-era Tenea-like one), but that's still different than the Mycenaean one.
@IamHellenic@Tony79218984890@iosif_lazaridis Yes, I'm aware. Nobody in the Caucasus has been immune from gene flow and each group has their own unique history of admixture events.