@ZioNAFOist How are you going to make it so that a homeless kid has the exact same opportunities as Elon musk's kids? Or when you said "We all deserve the same opportunities" you didnt actually mean "all" and "same"?
@ZioNAFOist You asked what the end goal is, not how things are today. Equality of opportunity would be impossible to achieve; equality of outcome is much easier.
How is this victim mentality any more than your suggestion that people all deserve the same opportunities?
@ZioNAFOist Yeah and amalek is a story that would apply to the entire population, but since we are allowing the narrow view for Israel, we should assume the same for hamas.
@ZioNAFOist Lol, who changed the subject? Everything in my post was in response to something you said.
Yep, victory (both in gay rights and civil rights broadly) is equal outcomes. Rights are only valuable if they lead to good outcomes
@ZioNAFOist Oh yeah, but if we say when one side uses broad language it should only be applied narrowly, then we should also assume it from the other side.
@ZioNAFOist Surely you agree that ukraine would surrender if Russia dropped a dozen nukes. Its like they arnt even trying to win the war.
How is that not an answer? That is the desirable endpoint, which we have not reached. Im concerned with outcomes, not process.
@ZioNAFOist How many times have they nuked kyiv? If they really wanted to kill the leadership, they have the capacity to try much harder.
On gay rights, as with all civil rights, I would say people shoudl keep pushing until there are no outcome disparagies between gays and straights.
@ZioNAFOist Does the story of amalek refer to just the soldiers, or all of the amalekites? I dont think its a coincidence he used an example where his alleged ancestors killed every man, woman, and child.
@BartAndrews Huh? His whole point is all compulsory payments should be treated the same. A compulsory payment does not become special just because you label it a "tax". I cant tell if you disagree or didnt understand the point.
@BartAndrews saying people pay similar taxes does not imply that they have similar disposable income/wages. This is further illustrating your ignorance. I think Matt would agree that if the US adopted the Nordic system your average american would be better off than your average Nordic.
@BartAndrews Nah I understood the point he was making from the jump. It was clear you didnt understand so he tried to use hypotheticals to clarify but then it became clear that you were unfamiliar with the concept of a hypothetical.
@ZioNAFOist Ok, others have suggested that Russia is trying to destroy ukraine and/or Ukranian culture, but we agree this is false?
So when israeli's call Palestinians amalekites, we should assume this has nothing to do with the story from Deuteronomy?
Which battle, we have discussed a few
@ZioNAFOist Can you explain the alternative meaning of amalek?
Can we say something similar for Russians since they haven't used nukes?
To clarify your winning question, are you asking "what would be the status quo that you would be satisfied with forever?"
@ZioNAFOist@longjondinkle@mattxiv What happened in the story of amalek, which netenyahu referenced in his speech before the genocide?
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