@Watch_LFC Have to say this is the most level headed take I’ve seen fair play, I agree we should be punished probably quite severely. But some of the suggestions I’ve seen are utter nonsense.
@Umpadiggga@CarricksR3dArmy@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph I mean we can all pretend a quick google search will show you… every club has dirt that they’ve been punished for. Maybe not on this level of severity fair enough but let’s not pretend it’s just us in the premier league….
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Same with the players they made sacrifices just like any other player in the league and at the end of the day we’re just doing their job… easy for me to say but I think stripping achievements really doesn’t affect those responsible if you really think about it.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Oh for sure, I just hope the punishment impacts those guilty. Punishing the players and the fans is harsh fans paid hard earned money to watch their club and to have memories.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph It’s obviously different because I’m a city fan but the football we played I will never forget regardless of the outcome now. We just have to take our medicine and try to move forward. If the owners have to go so be it but I do think most city fans we just want this behind us now
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Maybe but knowing doesn’t necessarily mean your “involved”, you have to apply abit of human nature. If Carrick for example was offered all these superstar players I don’t think he’s turning it down because he’s worried where the money is coming from…
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Yeah btw I truly don’t think pep was involved in fraud I think that’s just a crazy take, but if the logic is applied to him, then the whole management level they should all be hit with the same logic. Unfair just to single one person out.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Yeah that’s fair it does make the question all the people who left, whether they jumped ship to try and escape before it was too late. A lot of people outside the club also need to be held accountable if they were involved.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph I wonder what Arsenal think as well, if we use the logic Pep was involved in this like I am seeing. Surely people like Arteta have to be under fire for their role in this as well?
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Out of curiosity what do you think of your club employing people people who there’s a good chance were involved in these charges like Berrarda? Do you think it shows abit of incompetence from the glazers etc…
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph The problem with this to me is any punishments or outcomes will be based upon assumptions unfortunately and retrospectively “what could have been”. I don’t think anyone comes out of this in a good light including the PL itself.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph I just don’t think the idea of we spent money necessarily equals that automatically means you win trophies, like if you look at the top clubs spends, teams have factually spent the same if not more than us the like of Chelsea for example… without the same success/domination.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph We definitely should be punished we broke the rules, but I would like the see the rules changed just to give all clubs a better chance to grow. It will only make the premier league a better product. Imagine a league of 7-8 teams that could all challenge the title…
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph I guess we will never know, the rules at the time could have made it easier for clubs to grow in that way. Not taking anything away from SAF but I definitely don’t think the rules now promote growth and more just keep clubs as they are if that makes sense.
@DredUtd@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph But no dig at United here, you have been on essentially a free fall for 13 years now. No where near what you once was… but I bet your FFP isn’t affected. That’s my only point is where is the line drawn between commercial revenue and rewarding current sporting excellence?
@CarricksR3dArmy@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph But I think overall no-one comes out of it looking good, we obviously cheated and the premier league just look incompetent at this point for letting it happen for so long and they only investigated us because of hacked information. Makes you wonder tbf what else goes on.
@CarricksR3dArmy@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph Yeah it’s just something I’ve always thought of if we can prove the premier league and other clubs have benefited from this money at the same time, whether that could or would lead to a lesser punishment. I think it’s plausible they benefited in some ways from it.
@yousamena@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph I suppose two things can be true at once, it probably does stop some clubs going under… but it could be holding some clubs back as well. I know we cheated or what have you but I’d sooner have the ambition of our owners that whatever the glazers have done to you.
@yousamena@Fazzz_lfc@Lightningleaf11@NUFCMurph So we might as well become the NFL then in that case… All that matters is commercial revenue and not what happens on the sporting side. The Glazers drain money from United at an alarming rate, Our owners pumped money in to improve us, the wrong type of ownership is rewarded