Neandercel

Husband and Father. Home front and front line enthusiast. Medical Doctor. Sometimes Small Arms enthusiast. Sometimes Author.

[Neandercel @neandercel]

"Orders are Orders, engage the Air Intruder"

[Combination K @Combination_K]

If the USSR was still around there would be a PVO Santa tracker competing with the NORAD Santa tracker, something to think about.

[Neandercel @neandercel]

D-did the side of a WZ-551 bounce this thing?

[China pulse 🇨🇳 @Eng_china5]

A Chinese toy missile capable of destroying a tank: China has released footage for the first time of tests of the QN-202 mini-missile.

The missiles, launched without a warhead from a small platform, were used against transport vehicles, armored vehicles, and both moving and stationary targets at ranges of 200, 400, 600, 1000, 2000, and 2500 meters.

[Neandercel @neandercel]

@ToastPuppy1917 >he thinks intermediate cartridge is the determining factor in an assault rifle

Never going to make it im afraid

[Neandercel @neandercel]

The Wehraboo slop has circled back around to 2016 and now were arguing about the StG-44 being the first assault rifle again.

It wasnt even the first assault rifle germany adopted in the 1900s!

[Neandercel @neandercel]

@GhostRing303 @Kremmen101 "I cant support my argument, better make sure I dont come off looking like I care about the debate I willfully engaged in online without a shred of fact to back up my opinion!"

[Neandercel @neandercel]

>1/3rd of its mass is recoiling components making the benefit of its status as a GPMG negated by inflexability from a non-tripod mounted position
>Extremly complicated and nearly twice as expensive as its allied equivilant
>a box with TNT in it
>an inefficient Monroe effect charge
>Building more fighters but having no pilots or fuel to speak of to use them

Wehraboos are genuinely insufferable

[Neandercel @neandercel]

Cool, the Mg-34 was also mostly used in vehicles after 1942, does that make it irrelevant to the discussion about the MG-34 or?

I never brought the USs small arms development misadventures post war into the discussion. Id be happy to as it will only fortify my position that the Mg-34 and Mg-42 arent all the post-war retrospective chalk them up to be, and that, moreover, the Mg-34 was an atrociouly handling small arm. I simply mentioned that the Mg-34 was inefficent and preformed mostly poorly at the roll of GPMG. Which is fine. But it was neither the first GPMG nor was it a particularly excellent example of a GPMG, mostly due to design flaws and characteristics immutable to the design.

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@3rdGenZerinchev Most critically also the best self loading rifle of the second world war

[Neandercel @neandercel]

1. It wasnt, US Ordinance and British Ordinance agree. From the US report:

"In general the German MG 34 is neither adaptable to American manufacturing methods due to the critical tolerance of its parts, or to the American soldier due to its inaccuracy"

2. They did, they used the M1919A4 and BESA; SG-43 for the Soviet Union.

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@GhostRing303 @Balksfuckshack Cool, they still lost and allowed the allies to achieve air dominance over the European Theater of Operations.

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@MarikoRawralton It was actually to get Die Glocke into service by 1946 few know this

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@Kremmen101 Good thing thats an MG-34 :)

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@JnsFhs How so? The argument is the efficiency of the warhead design, your postulate is it was not inefficent, mine is that it is a severely inefficient design.

[Neandercel @neandercel]

Well, if youre presenting an argument that the charge of the PzF family is i
(In)efficent, you usually cite reasons as to why its (in)efficent. Thus far you have offered a 1.5 times increase in penetration over diameter for a warhead whos charge volume is substantially higher and heavier than a smaller design. I have offered that for comparative diameter it underperformed, was lethargic, inaccurate over distance, and would argue it had little practical impact post war in design characteristics beyond vague overtures of design which were common to preexisting rocket and grenade projectors of its contemporary.

[Neandercel @neandercel]

Last I checked 220/1.5 is 146.67, a mere 3mm off from the Pzf 60s 149mm OD.

The M6A3 rocket can penetrate 4 inches-102mm-of plate with its 2.36 inch (60mm) Rocket, or, roughly, 1.42 times the OD of the charge.

The Panzerfaust 60 takes 1.33s to reach a 60m distant target and drops 8.7m in that travel, while the Bazooka firing an M9A3 has a Time of flight of about 0.75s and drops 2.7m. The PzF 60 is fired at a roughly 8.25° of inclination at 60m; if fired at that same angle of lob the M9A3 reaches ~189m and is still traveling approx. 12m/s faster than the PzF 60 at that range. If you want to work in the relm of the PzF 100, its roughly the same without Dv between the two warheads. If anything I gave the PzF an easy dub here with its 30/60/100/150m engagment envelope, except that the US felt the Bazooka was useful to 300m and trained tgeir personnel as such, as you can read in FM-23-30

[Neandercel @neandercel]

I did? I simply said they were inefficient or ineffectual in their designed roles.

For the Panzerfaust, it had at best an equivilant performance of diameter and was limited by range. It is even by contemporary HEAT charge standards was very middle of the pack in efficiency.
https://t.co/JmZxSSmhpv
The Panzerfaust 60 had a 60 meter effective firing range. The M1 Bazooka had an effective range of 100-150 meters. The M1 Bazooka can penetrate roughly 1.5-2x its OD in armor. The Panzerfaust roughly the same.

The MG-34 suffered from plentiful issues throught its service life. It was complicated and expensive (nearly 3 times the MG-42), suffered from ingress and maintenence problems and complex machining so much so that US ordinance notates multiple times from 1940 on that the MG-34 has been simplified from previous versions, over, and over, and over again, bringing it in line with the MG-42. It had vicious horizontal spread as much as 100+ inches of lateral deviation at 300 yards with 20 round bursts, and is particularly jarring to fire, as noted in multiple peri and post war analysis of German arms.

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[Neandercel @neandercel]

@JnsFhs Did I say they were bad or not all they were cracked up to be?

Make an argument for your case. I love having my mind changed.

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@Balksfuckshack I forgot about the Walther prototype

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@HTanker1945 Dont tell them too much theyll go defending the Maus too

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@Balksfuckshack Sturmgewher model 1946