@atrupar Trump doesn’t seem at all concerned about the civilians beneath it. These are communities, not opportunities to boast about American firepower. The size of the explosion matters less than who gets killed.
Now we’re getting somewhere. You’ve finally provided a specific example.
The two California refineries you’re referring to are Phillips 66 in Los Angeles and Valero in Benicia.
Phillips 66 explicitly stated its closure decision was based on market conditions and business considerations, not California’s newly enacted refinery regulations. Valero, on the other hand, did cite regulatory pressures and operating costs as contributing factors.
See how that works? We can acknowledge legitimate concerns about Democratic policies without pretending every economic problem is their fault.
I also agree that political corruption and dishonesty should be confronted, but that standard should apply equally to Republicans and Democrats. Surely you’re not suggesting only one party needs to clean house?
As for working across the aisle, cooperation is a two way obligation. Neither party has a monopoly on obstructionism.
Here’s what I find interesting, you began by defending Trump’s economic performance, shifted to blaming Democrats for economic problems, and now you’re criticizing the left’s character while announcing you’re not interested in debating.
That’s your choice, but none of it establishes the economic success you originally claimed.
I’m interested in measurable results, consistent standards, and accountability regardless of party affiliation. Are you?
I’m not omitting anything. You’re introducing another claim without substantiating it.
I’m not opposed to deregulation where it makes economic sense. Excessive regulation can absolutely hinder investment, innovation, and growth. But regulations also protect consumers, workers, competition, and public safety. The economic question is which regulations create unnecessary burdens and which serve legitimate purposes.
So be specific. Which regulations are Democrats currently imposing that are preventing these industries from growing? What measurable economic losses have they caused?
Trump has been president since January 2025 and has actively pursued deregulation. At what point do his administration’s economic policies become accountable for actual economic outcomes rather than hypothetical growth that you insist Democrats are preventing?
The USDA still projects a 5.5% inflation-adjusted decline in farm income for 2026. That’s an actual economic forecast, not partisan whining.
You keep replacing measurable results with claims about what supposedly would happen if Democrats got out of the way.
That’s not evidence of economic success. It’s an explanation you’ve offered without demonstrating that it’s true.
I’m asking for economic data. You’re giving me ideological talking points. There’s a difference.
@GuntherEagleman You’re one dumb son of a bitch.
There won’t be $5k checks for you or illegals regardless of who wins. Just stfu already, you sound stupid af.
You accused me of using a lot of words to say nothing, then responded with a list of industries supposedly “booming” without providing a single economic statistic.
Let’s examine your claims.
Agriculture? The USDA projects inflation adjusted farm profits will decline 5.5% in 2026.
Housing? Existing home sales declined 2.2% year over year in September, and mortgage rates are around 7.4%. That’s hardly evidence of a nationwide housing boom.
Technology? Absolutely, AI investment is booming. I have no problem acknowledging that, but one industry’s success doesn’t establish that the broader economy is thriving.
Military spending? Government defense expenditures can stimulate economic activity, but spending taxpayer money on weapons isn’t automatically evidence of prosperity for American households.
Meanwhile, annual inflation reached 3.7% in September, and Americans are still struggling with affordability.
As for immigration, the DSA has historically supported open borders. The Democratic Party, however, explicitly supports border security and immigration enforcement. They aren’t interchangeable organizations and neither fact establishes your imaginary healthcare program for 8.4 billion people.
You keep insisting that “everyone is noticing” while offering opinions instead of measurable evidence.
I’m perfectly willing to acknowledge economic successes under Trump. Are you equally willing to acknowledge economic problems?
Because defending an administration’s economic record requires examining the entire economy, not cherry picking industries while ignoring the indicators that contradict your narrative.
Also blaming “my media” for economic statistics published by the federal government isn’t an economic argument.
What’s hypothetical? The part where you invented a healthcare plan covering 8.4 billion people and attributed it to Democrats. Even the DSA’s Medicare for All proposal covers US residents, not the entire planet and supporting universal healthcare doesn’t mean supporting open borders.
You’re demanding I calculate the cost of a policy you haven’t demonstrated anyone is proposing, while still refusing to address my original point about Trump’s economic performance.
Now you’re onto Kamala, Biden’s health, and some alleged media conspiracy? At this rate, you’ll have worked your way through every conservative talking point of the last decade before addressing the actual subject.
Here’s a question for you: Can you defend Trump’s economic record without changing the subject?
Patriotism isn’t a party affiliation. It’s a commitment to the Constitution, democratic principles, and holding elected officials accountable, regardless of which letter appears next to their name. Confusing loyalty to a political party with loyalty to your country is a dangerous misunderstanding of patriotism. Voting Blue 💙 in Texas to rid my state of corruption.
Also I’ve been here my entire life and you’re a poser transplant.
@ArmenBeeman@RpsAgainstTrump I criticized Trump’s economy, and you responded with a hypothetical healthcare plan for the entire planet and AOC’s reproductive system. At what point in that journey did you convince yourself you were making a coherent argument?