Noemon Acragas

Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Just be one

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

https://t.co/Qoiq4RXH4Q

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Homer's Hymn to Pythian Apollo tells the story of the Minoans founding the Temple and the Oracle of Delphi. The Minoans establish Apollonas' Delphinus worship and the guardianship of the shrine, chanting Cretan-style paeans as they follow Apollo up to Parnassus.

καὶ τότε δὴ κατὰ θυμὸν ἐφράζετο Φοῖβος Απόλλων,
οὕστινας ἀνθρώπους ὀργείονας εἰσαγάγοιτο,
οἳ θεραπεύσονται Πυθοῖ ἔνι πετρηέσσῃ:
ταῦτ᾽ ἄρα ὁρμαίνων ἐνόησ᾽ ἐπὶ οἴνοπι πόντῳ
νῆα θοήν: ἐν δ᾽ ἄνδρες ἔσαν πολέες τε καὶ ἐσθλοί,
Κρῆτες ἀπὸ Κνωσοῦ Μινωίου, οἵ ῥα ἄνακτι
ἱερά τε ῥέζουσι καὶ ἀγγέλλουσι θέμιστας
Φοίβου Ἀπόλλωνος χρυσαόρου, ὅττι κεν εἴπῃ
χρείων ἐκ δάφνης γυάλων ὕπο Παρνησοῖο. οἳ μὲν ἐπὶ πρῆξιν καὶ χρήματα νηὶ μελαίνῃ
ἐς Πύλον ἠμαθόεντα Πυλοιγενέας τ᾽ ἀνθρώπους
ἔπλεον: αὐτὰρ ὃ τοῖσι συνήντετο Φοῖβος
Ἀπόλλων: ἐν πόντῳ δ᾽ ἐπόρουσε δέμας δελφῖνι
ἐοικὼς νηὶ θοῇ καὶ κεῖτο πέλωρ μέγα τε δεινόν τε...

And then Foivos Apollon considered carefully what kind of men he would bring to be his priests and attend to the rocky Pythians.
While he pondered on it, he became aware of a ship upon the wine-faced sea, plenty of men and good ones, Kretans from Knossos, the city of Minos, they who [will] sacrifice to the prince and evangelise the decrees of Foivu Apollonas, bearer of the golden blade, he who speaks through his laurel tree at the hollow below Mt Parnassus.
They were sailing for business & profit in their black ship towards sandy Pylos to trade with its people.
But Foivus Apollon met them in the open sea, he leapt upon their ship like a dolphin in shape, and lay there, a great and awesome koitos...

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Below my first attempt to bring some imagery to life with seedance, if anyone is willing to help out with this project, it would be greatly appreciated. Plenty of original coastal footage available from Cape Maleas, Tainaron & Delphi itself.

[Olympiacos B.C. @Olympiacos_BC]

Δεν χρειάζεται κάποιο σχόλιο…

#OlympiacosBC

[Hadi @HadiNasrallah]

“Jesus told us to forgive our killers, but this is too much”

Heartbreaking moments from the funeral of Theodosia Karam, her brother Tony and their father James in Qlayaa, southern Lebanon. James was driving his children home from their exams when an Israeli drone killed them

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

@BretVDB Well done!!! This is the proper way. Greek on one side, English on the other.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

@PYmius 😂 Well spotted!!

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Theo Nash's argument(pictured below) still remains wrong. He is trying to gatekeep Greek & Roman literature and elevate himself as an "authority" when he is just yet another confused "classicist" trying to stay relevant, despite the extremely low command of Greek by western classicists.

None of you defender's of Theo have elaborated an actual argument in defense of Theo's position. Instead you are using insults and mockery while posturing as the gatekeepers of "Greek Classical Logic", becoming the very jokes you are supposedly arguing against.

You have all proven yourselves to be exactly as described by RHG and others.

Another defender of Theo used AI to translate English into Greek to claim that his command of Greek is superior than the natives like myself but also superior Greek than Galen's(nope this is not a joke):

https://t.co/9h68D7nJ8A

Another "classicist" defender of Theo, claimed RHG made a historiographical error, when asked which one, he went silent:

https://t.co/ivL50ZF3SB

You also posture as a "defender of Theo", yet the only argument you've managed to concoct is the word "ridiculous".

If people are making fun of "classicists" like you, it is not because of a conspiracy, or "kids in our days" but because your arguments and attitudes are objectively laughable.

[Ye Olde Philologer Cokedril @PhiloCrocodile]

It should also go without saying that I am @theo_nash fan. We don’t agree on that much, but he’s knowledgeable and a good person.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Hey mate, I totally agree with the sentiment here.

Artificial reconstructions are awful, disgusting and fundamentally an awfully bad learning tool proven as such in the classroom over and over again. No artificial reconstruction is ever going to teach a pupil better than the closest living version. Language is a living thing, reconstructed stuff are not and this has a major effect on exercising it.

Having said that Latin C was definitely a K. It satemised and there is nothing wrong with that. Satemisation of the K is a very natural evolutionary process across many languages. And it does not really matter. Reconstructionists will get one thing right and 100 things wrong.

[Αποκώντας @brainworn]

#OlympiacosBC
The machine is hungry again. Finals time.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

The OP is clear, he said that modern historians claim superiority over the ancients, something they do, when they are far inferior to them, you disagreed with him and tried to claim that modern academic historians have superior methods and such, they do not, they have sponsors and grants, they have good and evil narratives to tell, they are as debased as the rest of the [post-]modern world.

If you want to learn ancient history learn it from the original sources, not from youtube and not from x and not from "classicists" and "academic historians".

It is free and it is easy. Perseus.tufts gives you the original and the english side by side. Use it.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Modern academics cannot even agree on the definition of "woman", they cannot produce a history of Israel-Palestine that is barely as honest as Greek myth let alone history. They follow Biblical "good and evil", Israeletis, good, Philistines, evil and that is all you need to know narrative that is entirely absent from Homer and Greek myth.

They cannot even produce accurate history of major events like wars, pandemics, things happening before their eyes, let alone interpret ancient events. They cannot give credit to their enemies on par with ancient Greek myth, let alone ancient Greek history.

How on earth do you imagine these people giving you more accurate accounts of the ancient world than the ancients themselves when they cannot even give you an accurate account of what you are witnessing?

All you can expect to get is their biases, not truth.

Modern reporters stage scenes in studies to engage in outrage, modern audiences all they want is the good guy to support and the bad guy to hate.

Modern academics do not know whose ass to lick first, and whose narrative to adopt.

What on earth are you comparing Human GIANTS with human caricatures? You are telling people not to read the ancient Giants and instead get their information from "modern academics".

Show me 1 modern academic that is remotely superior in telling the truth about a Homeric scene, more than Homer himself.

Or about Livy, than Livy himself.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

@Tool_Being https://t.co/F9zQl5cEpl

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

I just can't stop laughing with this.

Homer the Greek painted Priam the enemy as a superior moral person than Agamemnon. Painted the allies of the Trojans like the Aethiopians as "handsome and strong", the later epic cycle calls them "more proficient at arms than Acheans"(προφερεστεροι των Αχαιαων) and said that "Zeus dines among them". Ηροδοτος, attempted to justify the Persians, even though they had been campaigning to conquer Greece and his home-town for centuries. Greej mythology gives credit to people from Phoinicia, Egypt and so many other places.

Greeks tend to be extremely even-handed, honest to the point you cannot even conceive, let alone reproduce, while people in the modern day are scared to criticise Israel, Epstein and their own politicians. Modern people cannot even report live events that are happening right before their own eyes in an honest manner, let alone write history in an "honest way".

Please do us all a favour and do not compare yourself or any modern person to the ancients because you will ALWAYS find yourself wanting.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Why would Hollywood use Greek actors(has it ever used Greek actors at any time in the past? they did not even use Greek actors in the biography of Onassis), do you demand the same from China, Persia or Russia?

If the Chinese set up a production film or theater for the Odyssey are you going to block them for not using Greek actors?

It is not hard for me to do anything, I understand that every country making a film or theater production will use its own actors and methods, you seem to struggle with this very basic fact of life.

I have never been in english, French, Dutch or German production that used Greek actors, they always use their own local actors.

And if Greeks make a movie or theater about the discovery of DNA, they will use Greek actors instead of English ones.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

@AdrienBoieldieu @Tool_Being https://t.co/F9zQl5cEpl

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

I just can't stop laughing with this.

Homer the Greek painted Priam the enemy as a superior moral person than Agamemnon. Painted the allies of the Trojans like the Aethiopians as "handsome and strong", the later epic cycle calls them "more proficient at arms than Acheans"(προφερεστεροι των Αχαιαων) and said that "Zeus dines among them". Ηροδοτος, attempted to justify the Persians, even though they had been campaigning to conquer Greece and his home-town for centuries. Greej mythology gives credit to people from Phoinicia, Egypt and so many other places.

Greeks tend to be extremely even-handed, honest to the point you cannot even conceive, let alone reproduce, while people in the modern day are scared to criticise Israel, Epstein and their own politicians. Modern people cannot even report live events that are happening right before their own eyes in an honest manner, let alone write history in an "honest way".

Please do us all a favour and do not compare yourself or any modern person to the ancients because you will ALWAYS find yourself wanting.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

I just can't stop laughing with this.

Homer the Greek painted Priam the enemy as a superior moral person than Agamemnon. Painted the allies of the Trojans like the Aethiopians as "handsome and strong", the later epic cycle calls them "more proficient at arms than Acheans"(προφερεστεροι των Αχαιαων) and said that "Zeus dines among them". Ηροδοτος, attempted to justify the Persians, even though they had been campaigning to conquer Greece and his home-town for centuries. Greej mythology gives credit to people from Phoinicia, Egypt and so many other places.

Greeks tend to be extremely even-handed, honest to the point you cannot even conceive, let alone reproduce, while people in the modern day are scared to criticise Israel, Epstein and their own politicians. Modern people cannot even report live events that are happening right before their own eyes in an honest manner, let alone write history in an "honest way".

Please do us all a favour and do not compare yourself or any modern person to the ancients because you will ALWAYS find yourself wanting.

[François-Adrien Boieldieu @AdrienBoieldieu]

@Tool_Being Academic historians today are more aware of the subjective and politically and socially biased aspect of their profession than historians have ever been. Your criticism is drilled into them as part of their training. That they don't realise this is a laughable criticism.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

"- I was not aware that our world was so small and our country so monochromatic that we could not find a few dozen Greeks, or those with Greek heritage, who also enjoy acting. "

Whose country are you referring to?

When Greeks produce the Odyssey they use Greek actors, when Chinese people produce the Odyssey they use Chinese actors, when Somalians produce the Odyssey, they use Somalian actors and when Hollywood does it, it uses the same formula of White actors + Black and Asia tokens as it has been doing for decades to the point it has become a meme in South Park. Why are you so outraged about it? This is not a movie made by Greeks for Greeks.

"I certainly did not misinterpret Homer as proven above, and 'film-making choices' is generally short for 'we ignored the source material'. "

You did misinterpret Homer, you claimed Homer described Helen's physical appearance, he did not, calling her a domesticated woman of bright-arms is not a physical description, but a moralistic one. Euryvatis's description is an actual physical description because that is the point the scene requires, Odysseus to prove he knew Euryvatis by accurately describing his physical appearance.

To your last question, you are asking the wrong person and you are also comparing very different things.

1) I have been on the internet since 2004, I have written almost the entire English wikipedia on Macedonia, modern Cyprus, Alexander, Plutarch, Aristotle, Plato, Orpheus, papers on the ancient Greek pronounciation(one can find on my profile), everything I have ever done I have done with zero copyrights, zero credit, my entire life's work is anonymous and is being used daily by Greeks and others to make their own arguments. I never sought credit, I am happy my work is helping other people understand things better.

2) Nolan's Odyssey is not plagiarism in any way, shape or form. Nolan is making a movie inspired by Homer's Odyssey, he is using Hollywood actors because he is in Hollywood, when Chinese people make a play or movie about a Greek hero I do not treat this as plagiarism but as respect that they find our culture good enough to reproduce and pay tribute to.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

@renegadesilicon @PhiloCrocodile @theo_nash https://t.co/DBGoadhewM

Most of the blocks I have in this platform is by @theo_nash and the various "classicist" attendants.

These people do not engage in "respect" or "argument". They use mockery, and when that fails they just block.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Theo Nash's argument(pictured below) still remains wrong. He is trying to gatekeep Greek & Roman literature and elevate himself as an "authority" when he is just yet another confused "classicist" trying to stay relevant, despite the extremely low command of Greek by western classicists.

None of you defender's of Theo have elaborated an actual argument in defense of Theo's position. Instead you are using insults and mockery while posturing as the gatekeepers of "Greek Classical Logic", becoming the very jokes you are supposedly arguing against.

You have all proven yourselves to be exactly as described by RHG and others.

Another defender of Theo used AI to translate English into Greek to claim that his command of Greek is superior than the natives like myself but also superior Greek than Galen's(nope this is not a joke):

https://t.co/9h68D7nJ8A

Another "classicist" defender of Theo, claimed RHG made a historiographical error, when asked which one, he went silent:

https://t.co/ivL50ZF3SB

You also posture as a "defender of Theo", yet the only argument you've managed to concoct is the word "ridiculous".

If people are making fun of "classicists" like you, it is not because of a conspiracy, or "kids in our days" but because your arguments and attitudes are objectively laughable.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

@PhiloCrocodile https://t.co/DBGoadhewM

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

Theo Nash's argument(pictured below) still remains wrong. He is trying to gatekeep Greek & Roman literature and elevate himself as an "authority" when he is just yet another confused "classicist" trying to stay relevant, despite the extremely low command of Greek by western classicists.

None of you defender's of Theo have elaborated an actual argument in defense of Theo's position. Instead you are using insults and mockery while posturing as the gatekeepers of "Greek Classical Logic", becoming the very jokes you are supposedly arguing against.

You have all proven yourselves to be exactly as described by RHG and others.

Another defender of Theo used AI to translate English into Greek to claim that his command of Greek is superior than the natives like myself but also superior Greek than Galen's(nope this is not a joke):

https://t.co/9h68D7nJ8A

Another "classicist" defender of Theo, claimed RHG made a historiographical error, when asked which one, he went silent:

https://t.co/ivL50ZF3SB

You also posture as a "defender of Theo", yet the only argument you've managed to concoct is the word "ridiculous".

If people are making fun of "classicists" like you, it is not because of a conspiracy, or "kids in our days" but because your arguments and attitudes are objectively laughable.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

https://t.co/ywz5zVml8y

The "classicists" in that conversation are quite brain-damaged indeed, that they openly advertise their errors shows how narcissism has completely taken over their personalities.

@johnricard moans about "gatekeeping" while screeching against an account that made an observation by reading Livy directly. After losing the argument he turned it into an identity-ball-game-issue Knicks vs Spurs type of thing, "you defending a parody account", "ama defending ma elites".

@AndrewPaulWood claimed he and the gate-keeper "classicists" speak better Greek than Galen himself, while using AI to translate his debased English into Greek.

You couldn't really make this up. Same people insist on showing their errors around.

[Andrew Paul Wood🤔😒 @AndrewPaulWood]

@noemonas @ajaltamimi ἴδε σ’, ὦ κατάλοιπε κίονος, ἐπ’ αὐτῆς καθήμενον καὶ τὸν πόρον ἀναστρέφοντα. τί οὐκ ἀποδιδῷς τοῖς Χρεωπολίταις τὰ δάνεια καὶ ζητεῖς ἔργον ἀντὶ τοῦδε

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

First of all, you ignored my reply to your post, I guess you agree with me then that those who make the movie can put whatever actors they wish:

"This is a separate question, as this is not made by Greeks, but rather by people who are imagining things consistently as they prefer for a rather long time now. So it does not reflect anything on the Greek cultural heritage because it is not made by or for it, but instead by Hollywood for a global audience.

Greek Odyssey is made with Greek actors, English one with English, French with French, Syrian with Syrian and Hollywood with Hollywood. This should not be controversial. And it is not obtuse understanding as much.

This is very basic."

Second, your new argument is false as well.

Euryvatis is physically described by Odysseus to Penelope so he can prove he "knew" Odysseus.

The physical description of his own Kyrix is demanded by the scene itself.

On the contrary, Helen is never described by Homer, her appearance is left to anyone's imagination.

Odysseus himself is also called "Black" by Homer but I do not see you calling him African.

"White-armed" does not mean Polish or German or Lithuanian, it means a woman obedient enough to stay in the house.

So not only you ignored basic film-making choices but you also misinterpreted Homer.

You can make the Odyssey however you wish, you cannot moan that Hollywood does Hollywood as Hollywood does for decades now.

[Noemon Acragas @noemonas]

https://t.co/j9lgwy6bJN

I guess others can now understand how Greeks cringe whenever they hear the Greeklish Cambridge & Oxford have been teaching since the 17th CE.
Knowing the nonsense they invented, the texts they mistranslated to reach their conclusions is even more cringe: