Turnike

It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts.
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@armchairAP @realslimaidy @Realphlexx Thx for the suggestion

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@pjesnikinja22 @realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx That jumps from the debate of morality to the debate of whether God exists or not, so I accepted the disagreement within the morality debate.

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@pjesnikinja22 @realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx Ye thats why I said its a point of contention. Because Im starting with the assumption that God exists and religion also existed as old as humans. But if you dont hold to either of those youd validly object that. We start from different grounds and inevitably conclude differently

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@pjesnikinja22 @realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx It's the other way around, religions shaped human perception (mostly). But that's a point of contention, different conclusions from different assumptions.

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@pjesnikinja22 @realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx Ok, looking from an atheistic pragmatic perspective, that line is sound. But anyone calling anyone good or evil would be meaningless, as the terms become absurd. It'd be better and more consistent to define things as pleasant and unpleasant at that point.

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@realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx Ok, might have misread you. If you're saying believers should be worshipping for the sake of God and not rewards, then I agree with you. If heaven and hell did not exist, I'd still worship God, if He asked me to.

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@pjesnikinja22 @realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx Also, your mention of psychopaths are funny, because that's the exact problem. You cannot prove your morals to someone who are not influenced by the same subjective experiences you feel. This is why you need an objective moral arbiter, i.e. God.

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@pjesnikinja22 @realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx You're not proving the harm principle; you're assuming it to be the basis, just like I called it above that people would. And your "evidence" for it is humans being "naturally empathetic", which is an appeal to nature fallacy.

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@armchairAP @realslimaidy @Realphlexx Tbh I didnt even read Ashari or Maturidi books, Im very layman on that. I just had my own thought process on this using the knowledge I learned from yt dawah and came to this conclusion, it felt the most logical to me. I just happened to learn this is what Asharis believed l8r on

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@armchairAP @realslimaidy @Realphlexx Sorry bro, I hold Ash'ari voluntarism

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@realslimaidy @armchairAP @Realphlexx Good and evil outside the context of God don't exist. They become subjective definitions that can't be proven, just assumed.
To an honest atheist, like Nietzsche, they are just as made up as angels and devils. Because when the same principles are applied consistently, they are.

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@AdemsanArifi @armchairAP The point of the original post is the criticism of *rejecting* a religion based on desires, which is valid because the argument is illogical. What you're saying is "But Muslims still sin despite believing", and we do not deny that. It's the believing that's the topic not sinning.

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@AdemsanArifi @armchairAP "Flogging", "stoning", "punishing" are all different types of broccoli you don't like, doesn't mean the administrative force doesn't exist. Denying God on those grounds is a non-sequitur.

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@HorasbajasA @DickingYuri @armchairAP Superman didn't send down a revelation as a warning and provide prophecies and miracles and hidden knowledge a mere human couldn't come up with, stop with this bullshit strawman it doesn't work.

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@AdemsanArifi @armchairAP Sinning and denying God because something you like is a sin are different things.
Your parents didn't stop existing because they tried to make you eat broccoli and told you that sweets are bad for you.

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@Jimmy0chan The surface level answer is the "producers" pushing their feminist agenda
The deeper answer is that certain people trying to socially engineer masses by depicting motherhood as an unfavourable and unpleasant thing and destroy the nuclear family so that they can control you better

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@flamestridr

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@Han31506417073 Only the extremists or ignorant fools who think they know better than scholars.

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@MundaneDesolate Seeing it over here too. Looks beautiful.

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@armchairAP Is it obscurekino? I haven't heard of her before let alone knew she was a DC character. Thought it was from some anime.