@AdameMedia This was a deal Israel has offered Palestinians many times and each time it was rejected by Palestinian leaders. Iran doesn’t want a free Palestine it can’t manipulate and control anymore so they keep lining the pockets of Palestinian leaders to prolong the wars and suffering
The denial of Palestinian state is about Palestinian society and leadership in its current form. If there is a genuine unified peaceful leadership and will for peace in society they will get their state. You can’t have an independent free Palestine with current leaders in charge and keep Israel safe at the same time…
@Alanheyalan@LibyaLiberty So just to be clear the guy travelled out of his way to the most Jewish area in the UK. And targeted Jews… but he wasn’t racist… and I’m the racist one for suggesting so? Got it… 🤣🤣🤣
2 insufferable pricks gaslighting an entire minority due to their own bigotry and prejudice. If you listen to either of these clowns on the subject of antisemitism, you're a fucking moron.
Every terrorist who blows up kids at a concert or goes ok rampage stabbing Jews or shooting up a gay club in Orlando is mentally disturbed clearly.. most ppl who murder civilians based on appearance or politics is mentally unhealthy so why try and suggest that absolves things…. It was a racist attack.. by a monster… we know…
Imagine a white supremacist went on a stabbing spree targeting people of colour in London, but before that, he stabbed his white friend, then jumped on public transport for an hour to head to a multicultural area of the city.
@DillyHussain88 Do you feel attached to the Uk? Do you identify as British? Do you support this country? Does that also mean you support all the actions of every government in British history too? Does that mean I should judge you based on your identity or connection to Britain?
@mehdirhasan Just a reminder the 40 beheaded babies was never an official line. But you all love bringing it up as if it’s some notion that somehow calls into question wether Hamas and the Gazan civilians that participated on oct7 are monsters or not
Cringe… stop gaslighting everyone… when people call for an intafada we know exactly what it means because we’ve already seen intafadas… if someone asks you what the first intafada was would you say oh it’s peaceful protest ? No… you know exactly what it was… bits of civilians blown to bits and dead children
@mehdirhasan Because it’s not a genocide and deep down you know it’s factually not but you’ve to parrot that lie to play politics… the ICJ didn’t call it genocide…it would be the first genocide in history to have said population choose to continue the war and population go up during it…
The problem with answering, Owen, is that it's long.
Because you aren't a little wrong, but spectacularly wrong in kind of evil ways.
But you told me not to evade. So let's do it.
1. “No protests in British history have been bigger than opposition to the American and British slaughter of Arabs in Iraq, so what now?”
Let's let the twitterati judge.
February 15, 2003, London. Police estimate of 750,000 participants in anti-Iraq War protest. Organizers claim as many as 2 million.
The biggest one-off protest ever held in London.
But here's what I said: "The slaughter of Arabs has never triggered anything remotely similar in scale and regularity and consistency in the history of British marches."
Because there were literally *millions* who marched over Gaza, cumulatively, week in and week out, across the entirety of the UK. And many millions more throughout the West. It was everywhere. ACLED recorded 48,000–51,000 protests from October 2023 through 2025 over Gaza, across 130 countries.
A third of the city of Amsterdam marched. Hundreds of thousands in Toronto and New York. A million in Pakistan, a million in Algiers, hundreds of thousands in Rabat and Jakarta. Countries that have no connection whatsoever to Israel, aren’t allies of Israel and don’t arm Israel saw the identical phenomenon.
And still your best analysis is “you’re a WESTERN ALLY?” Just as an analyst, you really think that encompasses the phenomenon?
And even that’s not the truly remarkable part. The remarkable part was the repetitiveness itself, the regularity, the duration and stamina of weekly protests for months and then years. There’s never been anything like it, not for any war, not in the history of Britain. Not even close.
That’s a simple fact. Denying that fact is therefore a bad strategy on your part. A better strategy would be to try to explain it.
Maybe it’s not nefarious antisemitism – or at least not *just* an obsession with Jews embedded deep in progressive and Muslim-world politics and identity. Maybe it’s because people could see the victims on their TikTok feeds, something they’d never seen at that scale from any previous war.
Maybe. I suppose we’ll know in the next war if this is a profound shift in consciousness inaugurated by changes in how we consume information – which would be a beautiful discovery, because it would mean it isn't a surge in antisemitism, and it would also mean that it will be harder to fight wars in future, because everyone everywhere will see the pain of war up close. That would be a beautiful and redemptive outcome, a huge silver lining flowing from the catastrophic tragedy of Gaza.
Or maybe none of that will happen, the only images that will ever flood anyone's feed will be of Jewish criminality, and it really is in the end just a new version of the old civilization-organizing bigotry it was of old, once again, like it always does, masquerading as righteousness.
2. “No British columnist has written more about the Saudi war on Yemen.”
Holy shit, Owen, it isn’t about you. What a strange and irrelevant claim.
Coverage and exposure for Gaza was and remains orders of magnitude – multiple orders of magnitude – larger than it ever was for Yemen or Sudan or Syria or all other conflicts underway everywhere put together in the last three years. It’s vastly greater than Yemen ever got in the darkest moments of that conflict. Even when tens of thousands of children were dying of hunger.
Not three-fold or five-fold, not even 100-fold. We're talking 1000-fold and more.
3. “There has not been a Western facilitated war on the very right of Yemenis to exist as a people going back GENERATIONS”
You think you're helping the cause of Gaza here, but you're just minimizing the evils of the Yemen war.
There has not, in fact, ever been a Yemeni campaign to erase Saudi Arabia. You notice?
Nor a pan-Arab and Iranian campaign that launched multiple annihilationist wars and built vast and sophisticated terrorist movements to destroy the entire Saudi people – which might have led the Saudis to take seriously a Houthi commitment to annihilate them.
I voted repeatedly for a Palestinian state. My own politics didn’t destroy those attempts. It was the annihilationists on the other side that did that.
Up till now you’re just hedging and wriggling and telling half-truths. Here you get kinda evil. And ironically, over the very thing you think gives you moral weight: Yemen’s suffering.
4. “the thousands slaughtered by Saudi bombs over many years in a Yemeni civil war with multiple armed actors is a) a hideous crime b) not even approaching the number of Palestinians slaughtered either in absolute or proportionate numbers, and certainly not in the time scale of Gaza. About 9,000 Yemeni civilians were killed Saudi air strikes in the space of 7 years."
Jesus Christ, Owen. The famine. The fucking man-made famine, Owen.
Once again, it isn’t about you. You know there are 377,000 dead from that war and you cherry-pick the sliver of statistics that will downplay that into nothingness just to win an argument on twitter.
Tell me again how much you cared about Yemen.
Just the deaths from military action were over 150,000. And the blockade wasn’t carried out with Western military hardware? It was, dear Owen.
“Do you agree that’s a terrible crime?”
Yes, you man-child. One of the greatest ever committed.
“(Let’s see if you even do or if you supported the Saudi war - spit it out!)”
I’m a big fan of bombing the shit of out the totalitarian, slavery-legalizing Houthis. But the famine, holy shit, man. The famine should have shaken the foundations of the world. It never did.
Because Jews weren’t involved.
Ball's in your court, buddy.
@trueblue21i@EFischberger A perfect example of my experience debating people like you who have watched a TikTok once and suddenly consider themselves to own the moral and ethical debate
This one is brutal, but a must read.
The Daily Mail just published testimonies of Gazan children being raped by Hamas-affiliated clerics at local mosques — and then threatened into silence by the Qassam Brigades.
A nine-year-old describes being led to mosque restrooms by a Sheikh who said he wanted to "give you something nice." "He took me to the restrooms and undressed me, took off my pants and had his way with me. I started to scream and then I cried," the poor boy said.
A ten-year-old recounts a cleric pulling down his pants and doing "filthy things" to him.
A third child came home bleeding and bruised from the head Imam of a mosque in Khan Younes.
When one father confronted the Imam, the Imam's response was that he'll "send Al-Qassam Brigades to you and they'll shoot you. We'll just say you were an Israeli collaborator." The next night, Hamas members showed up at his home and told the father to stay silent or "we'll wipe you off the face of the earth."
Another father in Deir al-Balah went to Hamas security with proof. They forced him to drop the charges, or be framed as an Israeli spy.
A former Palestinian Authority security officer explains rape is used as a binding tactic. It makes the victims and their families "obedient and submissive" to Hamas. "If you open your mouth they will destroy you and your entire household," he said.
This is so widespread it has a name. In Arabic slang, the perpetrators are called "mosque tennis players" — clerics who lure boys under religious pretexts.
According to Gazan author Hamza Abu Howidy, who fled the territory, the pattern is well-known: abuse, silence, and gradual conscription into the Hamas movement.
Add this to the Daily Mail's story last week of Hamas terrorists gang-raping widows in Gaza en masse, and you have what's clearly a sexual abuse epidemic led by Hamas.
Where is the outrage? Or is Palestinian suffering only newsworthy when it can be blamed on Israel?