Step 1 Complete! I love her so much I could die! π§‘
Next step, getting model art done and getting her rigged!
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I just looked at your page. Cute art! π§‘
I think your listing and images explain your service and pricing just fine so I wouldn't worry about it. :)
Personally, when I think misleading it's more when you see listing image that would imply "fully body" art, but when you click in, see the price and read the description that base price is actually for "bust". That's where it can get frustrating.
This a problem partially of VGen's own making though because apparently they limit how many services a non-verified artist can add.
@coffebred Hmm... I've seen the other sites advertising to allow artists but now that I think about it maybe not so much Mihuashi. Not sure if they'd approve one when you apply for access. π€
I'm not ignoring how the system works. Their current search and scroll is objectively bad.
Given that each of their categories have thousands of listings, using lazy loading on scroll causes performance issues. You'll get to the point in a search that their site will throw an error and stonewall you from searching further.
At that point you have no choice but to refresh the page and start the search all over again, having to get past everything you've already seen and praying it doesn't crap out again.
It looks something like this...
Hot Take. Price filters aren't a "race to the bottom". If someone's budget doesn't meet your rates THAT'S OK. You don't need to drop them to compete.
If someone's budget is $30 seeing art that is $250 isn't going to magically make them want to save for that piece. They'll just keep looking for someone in their range either on-site or off-site (i.e Draw Market, Pipipen, etc.).
All it does is take away their choice and try to force them into higher price points that may not be economically feasible for them. Just because someone doesn't have a lot of money, or their currency is weaker doesn't mean they should have to jump through hoops.
It makes it 1000% more painful and time consuming on customers who are trying to find artists in their range. Open listing, see price not in budget, close listing, keep going. It's a P.I.T.A.
Pair that with the astronomically abhorrent lazy loading, scroll forever until it crashes, search and you've got customers pulling their hair out in frustration. I can't express vehemently enough how much I LOATHE this system. Just give me the options for Pagination ("Previous," "1, 2, 3," "Next") for the love of god! π¬π¬
I'd actually argue that price filters will put artists in view of the right clients for their services. And let's not forget that these wouldn't be "default" filters so w/e their algorithm sorts by now would still be applicable on initial load.
Additionally if something like this was implemented, and it should be since it's the standard on every other site without issue, then stronger enforcement on artists who click bait pricing needs to occur. And not just the ones using $1 - $5 bait either. I'm talking the ones using full body images and listing "bust" level prices with their "range" of prices in the description vs. make separate appropriate listings. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
Once more for the people in the back! π«‘
Having a price range filter isn't going to force you to drop your prices to "compete".
Your prices are ALREADY there in all their glory. They're just hidden in a game of UX whack-a-mole. Buyer clicks a listing, sees listing is out of budget, closes listing, scrolls, repeats.
The buyer with a $30 budget isn't going to purchase a $250 listing with or without the filter. They'll just move on, potentially right off the site.
It makes for an incredibly poor user experience to make buyers jump through frustrating hoops and waste their time endlessly scrolling through listings they can't afford. Like seriously... their scroll search is LITERAL nightmare fuel. π¬π¬
All a filter like this does is match the right clients with artists that fit their budget. Not every client is meant for every artist and that's totally OK.
We're moving the goalposts a bit now.
"Just because someone can afford $250 doesn't mean they won't look for cheaper either."
Definitely true, but making the UX worse by not having price filters doesn't stop that. They'll just look manually (like we have to now), or go to another site.
Commissions can be about supporting artists you like, but they're still a paid business transaction with a budget attached. Buyers can respect artists and still need to filter by what they can afford. π
WDYM... the filter is literally about the buyer's search experience. It doesn't force artists to underprice their art... π
If someone filters for max. $30 they were never the $250 client to begin with. Not having the option doesn't mean they're more likely to hire a higher priced artist, it just makes the end user experience objectively worse.
The prices are already on the listings, they're just hidden in a game of price whack-a-mole. Click into a listing, out of budget, close listing, repeat.
It just saves buyers from wasting time and getting frustrated sifting through listings they can't afford and puts the right artists in view of the right clients.
@commissions_gg You popped up in my feed so I'm definitely checking it out. Question, if you don't take a portion as "fees". How will you fund ongoing maintenance and staff costs as you grow? π€
Yup, modal only (once it opens you can copy/paste the listing link). π¬π¬π¬
If you get the error you can't scroll any more and have to refresh the page.... starting the search from scratch and trying to make it past the wall of listings you've already seen. π
It's terrible UI/UX design with how many items are in each category!
Just for the record since this person blocked me... π
Gotta love the strawman.
Nobody is saying art should be treated like mass-produced products. The listings already have a price. Buyers will make a purchase decision based on that price...
The only difference is if the platform makes them scroll through an infinity maze, clicking through 100 different listings to discover it like they're hunting for buried treasure, or lets them filter by what they can afford up front. π₯΄
100% agree. Also, not everyone uses price filters to search for the lowest price either, so there's that.
I just don't think it's fair to make the entire usability experience objectively worse for the buyers you're trying to attract out of some misguided notion that "if they can't filter for it they'll see me and hire me". Like no, they won't. They'll see the listing, click in it, see the pricing is out of budget and move on. π
I can't even be bothered to try searching for hours. I get like 10 - 15 mins into their infinity scroll and get smacked with this... ππ
Fair point! It'd definitely be backlogged with a small team with how big the site is.
I feel like there's gotta be a way to make it manageable though. Some sort of automated/semi-automated system without them manually reviewing every listing.
Maybe something like a buyer report for misleading pricing/listings. If a listing gets multiple reports, it's temporarily hidden from search until manually reviewed or corrected. Could even be paired with auto warnings before escalating to that action.
It'd never be perfect but there has to be some middle ground. π€
I do browse once in awhile but I'm finding I look more on Twitter, Pipipen, Draw Market, etc. Any place really that I can search (including price range) and bookmark efficiently for comms.
I literally just can not anymore with the infinity scroll. 9/10 it crashes and forces me to reload and start over. REEEEEEEE!
Not to mention some categories are so insanely crowded that you're literally scrolling scroll forever *cough*emotes*cough* and then having to click into each one... nope, nope, NOPE!
Having a budget isn't "reducing you to a price tag". I don't know why we're acting like buyers are morally reprehensible for trying to find services they can afford. -__-;
Acting like a price/range filter defines your worth is silly when all it does is match buyers with artists in their range...
Min. = Blank - Max. = Total price I can afford.
@evinkie They seem to feel like letting buyers match with artists that are in their budget range will adversely affect them and forces them to drop prices... which is silly. If some buyer budgets are much lower than your listings those aren't your target clients... Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
Sure, I'll agree to that. But that isn't caused by a price range filter. π
Buyers have budgets. If they only have $30, not having a range filter doesn't make them a $250 client. It just makes their overall search experience worse.
I think the mindset needs to shift. Not everyone is meant to be their client and it's OK to let buyers match with artists in their budget range.
Honestly, they don't need to lower rates to compete for clients who weren't the right fit for them from the start. π