@TheOutsiderHum1 I'm convinced that one of our biggest flaws as believers is that we try to make God in our own image. We can't grasp how an infinite God would continue to love those who do evil and so we create theologies where those who do evil suffer in lava for all eternity
@ghostowlredux@TomBGone "If you just looked at the evidence properly..."
The problem is you need to prove this is true (hard when we're supposed to take parts of revelation on faith) and prove that those who don't are culpable for failing to do so
@ghostowlredux@TomBGone This is precisely what I press those who are convinced that orthodoxy in this life is the only way to heaven on. How do you contend with the fact that those are those in a completely different religion than you with identical mental states?
@OurLadyofAntifa@PAHoyeck He's basically restarting the paradox of the heap and then saying his preferred solution is that there's no such thing as a heap
Those are two different claims and we can't just smuggle the second in the the first
@rightscholar Yes but those features of education that are not instrumental to work are public and common goods and insofar as they are the financial and economic barriers to college should be lowered to promote them
@matt_olma@agostino_harry That's not my understanding. Von Balthasar's understanding of hopeful universalism was that this would most likely happen. I believe his cashing it out in terms of hope was that the Church labels straight universalism as somewhere between presumption and violating free will
@FrMatthewLC Be a libertarian. Define rights as only negative stipulating away positive rights. Use this to dismiss any positive right as not a right. Profit?
@TheLincoln Good old base rate fallacy
What if, and hear me out on this, members of each discipline could treat the other discipline as a respectable enterprise requiring careful thought and research to complete?
@PAHoyeck But hard determinism just fails to match the most basic evidence that I have that I do have an experience of acting freely so honestly the whole question just sits in a theoretical quagmire for me
Hence the failure as a philosopher
@PAHoyeck Hence my problem. Libertarianism doesn't make sense to me because it's irrational to be anything but reasons responsive and I think people do just act based on that they take their best reason to be but I think compatibilists miss that people think freedom requires ownership...
@PAHoyeck I mean...if compatibilism is just a pragmatic case for being able to hold people accountable a making sense of subjective experiences of freedom on determinism then I understand it a lot better but I always took compatibilists to be arguing something deeper.
@PAHoyeck I think you're certainly right that there is a distinction between unduly influenced action and voluntary action
But if at their roots all actions are determined then you're just describing different levels of influence and our linguistic practices seem to track customs