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Browns, Indians, and Irish

[There's a gleam men @OconRecon]

This list still amazes me.
Yes, there are great defenders, like Myles, who don't fit these criteria.
But, there isn't a fluke on this list.
#Browns

[The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast @thedawgspodcast]

In their first two NFL seasons, the only defensive linemen in the last 20 years to win Defensive Rookie of the Year and make 2x Pro Bowls:

🔸Ndamukong Suh
🔸Von Miller
🔸Aaron Donald
🔸Micah Parsons
🔸Jared Verse

(h/t @JackDuffin for the info)

[There's a gleam men @OconRecon]

@KenCarman We swapped an oldish elite edge for a young great one + picks.
Let's just see how this all works out, as wins (just like Garrett's time here), are likely more QB dependent than anything else anyway.

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@DailyDawgsShow @NickPedone12 @FanDuel Swapping an older elite edge for a younger great edge is a reset at one position.
The QB problem hasn't changed since Baker declined and left.
If you want to say "the Browns have no QB, & thus are always rebuilding", that's fair, but it's not due to this trade.

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@PolymarketBlitz

[Spotrac @spotrac]

FWIW: The Micah Parsons trade contains a similar condition:

GB owes DAL a 2028 1st if Micah Parsons is traded to the NFC East

DAL owes GB a 2028 1st if Kenny Clark is traded to the NFC North

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@Kwen_C Thoughts on V8 going with #8?

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@TheRealLA__ @OhioCr The swapping of an older elite/HOF edge for a young great/probowl edge isn't the difference in W's.
The right QB/HC combo is, which the Rams already have, and the Browns need to figure out.

[There's a gleam men @OconRecon]

That's the point. The swapping of an old elite/HOF edge for a young great/probowl edge isn't the concern
The QB/HC combo is
The Browns have the same main area of focus pre and post trade ... it's Monken and the QB choice.
The Rams already have the HC/QB combo, and that's why they may win it.

[There's a gleam men @OconRecon]

Andrew Berry's (big) trades since 2025:

#Browns get:

Jared Verse
Mason Graham
KC Concepcion
Quinshon Judkins
Dylan Sampson
Tyson Campbell
2027 1st rounder
2028 2nd rounder
2029 3rd rounder

Browns traded:

Myles Garrett
Travis Hunter
Greg Newsome
Bayshul Tuten
Rayuan Lane

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@finkn23 He's wayyyy better than mediocre, yet, nobody is Myles. 99% of us get that.

However, swapping an older HOF/elite edge for a young probowl/great edge isn't the issue for the #Browns.
It's fine, until we get the right QB.

QB is still the area of focus.

#DawgPound

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#Browns

[Grok @grok]

The 2029 3rd-round pick Rams are sending to Browns for Myles Garrett **is conditional** (official NFL processing + reports).

Exact conditions (snaps, games, roster status, etc.) have **not** been publicly detailed yet.

Full deal: Rams get Myles Garrett. Browns get Jared Verse + 2027 1st + 2028 2nd + conditional 2029 3rd.

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@RuiterWrongFAN @grok - are the details known on the Round 3, 2029 Conditional pick? What are the conditions?

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@Kwen_C But 58 means something to Barber since it was his college #

Good stuff though. Thank you.

[There's a gleam men @OconRecon]

Helluva take Bill.
“If the players the Browns got in exchange for Garrett don’t work out, that’s bad”.

[BrownsNation.com @BrownsNationcom]

Bill Barnwell of ESPN reveals the worst-case scenario for Cleveland's blockbuster trade, warning that the Browns could look back with regret if Jared Verse tops out as a good-but-not-great pass rusher and the draft picks turn into late first-rounders.

"The Browns might also look back and wonder why they traded a Hall of Famer for a player who hasn't topped eight sacks as a pro. Verse might top out as a good-but-not-great pass rusher who shows more flashes of brilliance than sustained elite play. If the Browns trade Garrett for a solid pass-rusher and the 32nd pick in the draft as the two biggest parts of the return, that might not feel suitable in a deal for a future Hall of Famer."

(https://t.co/tHbvGJf3vW)

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Toooooo late

[Andrew Fillipponi @ThePoniExpress]

The Steelers should offer the Cowboys TJ Watt for the Packers 1st round pick in the 2027 NFL Draft.

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He looks happy.
He gave us 9 years.
Go get the ring Myles.
Pulling for you.

@Flash_Garrett

[Los Angeles Rams @RamsNFL]

Myles is in the building. 👀

[There's a gleam men @OconRecon]

And there’s no reason it can’t be a win-win.
The Rams win now and the Browns a few years from now.
Two teams at different moments.

[Josh Edwards @EdwardsCBS]

Grades and opinions were a dime a dozen yesterday, but the impact of this trade is not going to be known for years.

If Cleveland uses those picks to finally land a quarterback who can produce wins, then it’s a win for them. If they turn those picks into three players who don’t impact the game, then it’s a loss. If the Rams win a Super Bowl, it’s a win. If they don’t, it’s probably a loss.

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@finkn23 The swapping of edges doesn't matter until the real problem gets solved by the Browns, which is the right HC/QB combo.

Garrett's most winning seasons were the 2020 Baker-bump and the 2023 Flacco-bump.
Otherwise, no matter how great he was, we sat at the bottom of the AFCN.

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@TheBrownsWire I don't think we have a 7th rounder in 2028 (KT Leveston trade w/ the Rams)

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Over the last 2 seasons in the (as now constructed) AFCN, the top 3 edges are in a near dead heat:

2024:
Hendrickson
Highsmith
Verse

2025:
Verse
Hendrickson/Highsmith (tied)

Edge isn't the thing holding the #Browns team back this fall.

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@thedawgspodcast Yep