Once and Future Church

[Uri Kurlianchik @VerminusM]

Most criticism of Israel can be summarized as: "Stop defending yourself! Can't you see it's hurting the people trying to kill you!"

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@DeclanFinnBooks What was Shapiro's disagreement with it? I usually find him to be pretty right on and open to Catholics

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@DrAimeeSmith @CathsAgainstJws @EMichaelJones1 Oh my. If you are an EMJ person, I'm really not going to waste either of our time. That guy is a hate-filled nutjob

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@DrAimeeSmith @CathsAgainstJws I'm fairly sure I'm not going to change your mind. But you can actually just read the recent encylical for an easy example. Leo talks about how both slavery and lack of religious freedom were approved in the past by the Church but then we came to better appreciate human dignity

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@theoscholastica Well, i think there were a lot of good developments in doctrine since those ones. So I mostly just like it for that reason, correcting past errors

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@OrthodoxOrigen I've read his late views though, like his letter to simplicanus, and he's basically just saying we're all a damned mass, and God just gives some of us unmerited grace and gives the rest merited justice (damnation) by not giving us the needed grace. Seems like Calvin to me.

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@theoscholastica I think it's solid. Much better than past versions.

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@DrAimeeSmith @CathsAgainstJws I know about that document. It's not some official Catholic view. If you want to know the official view, read Nostra Aetate. Vatican has apologized for much of its past misguided approaches on things like religious freedom, torture, inquisitions, burning at the state, slavery etc

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@OrthodoxOrigen And to be clear, I think their view is abhorrent. But it seems clear that late Augustine's views during the Pelagian controversy pivoted from the earlier consensus and led to Thomism/Calvinism etc. Thank God the Church never dogmatized that view

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@OrthodoxOrigen Many Thomists & other Augustinians disagree. To me, the key question is, does God REALLY will all to be saved or does he reprobate some (most?) before considering their merits or demerits & withhold certain graces? I read Thomas/Augustine/Calvin/Luther as saying the latter

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@Jolz_Aust This is so obviously AI it's crazy hahaa

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@ChudThomist "Bunch of people" meaning the popes and the Vatican document on this topic? Well, yeah.

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@OrthodoxWario Well, I think he finds real sources that back up what he's saying. The problem is there are also sources saying the opposite. It's trad cafeteria Catholicism where you just ignore the modern magisterium and go with your pick of old non-definitive statements that you prefer.

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@BTweeter87 Rome's document on this basically said limbo is no longer preferred theological position. Now we hope for all their salvation & we have good reason since God wants to save them and isn't limited by the sacraments. That's our developed position now since Vatican approved document

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@OrthodoxWario Canon Law says explicitly, "No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident." So guys like that (& Christian Wagner) who just declare things dogmas because it's been said by popes before are just wrong. Curious how Orthodox settle disputes now

[Bonchie @bonchieredstate]

All within a day of each other.

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@MeghanEMurphy The issue is people don't talk about their needs, I think. Men don't really need sex to be a big performance or soul-connecting romantic experience. It's something nature makes almost like eating or sleeping for us -- a very strong predictable drive that just needs... addressing

[Once and Future Church @OnceFutureCh]

@MeghanEMurphy Okay, but they should just be fully aware that, from the man's perspective, that's the day the relationship dies and she become a roommate.