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[Iso @ornen88]

@huseynmehsum @Handelsmannen28 @al_Samancii My criticism of all this is when people who disobey Allah's command in Surah Al-Jinn (72:18) openly call those who follow this command and question the reliability of Hadith as disbelievers.

I call it hypocrisy at its finest.

[Iso @ornen88]

@huseynmehsum @Handelsmannen28 @al_Samancii The major point still stands that when you say 'peace be upon you, O Prophet,' you are directly addressing a creation instead of Allah. This violates the direct command in the Quran, such as in Surah Al-Jinn (72:18)

[Iso @ornen88]

@huseynmehsum @Handelsmannen28 @al_Samancii No, I do not believe it is just haram. In Islamic theology, holding a belief in lesser gods or attributing divine powers to creation is fundamentally irrational. True logic dictates that there can only be One Ultimate Absolute Reality.

[Iso @ornen88]

@huseynmehsum @Handelsmannen28 @al_Samancii The bottom line, is that the Quran strictly forbids invoking anyone besides Allah. If you cannot provide a verse that explicitly allows directly addressing a creation during prayer, your philosophical theories about rational possibilities carry zero weight in Islamic theology.

[Iso @ornen88]

@anderslindberg quisling

[Iso @ornen88]

@NeshetB @Osama1699077 @freemonotheist If you have the "free will" to choose Path B, but God already wrote down that you will choose Path A, you choosing Path B would make God's knowledge incorrect. Therefore, your choice is already locked in, making the "choice" an illusion.

[Iso @ornen88]

@huseynmehsum @Handelsmannen28 @al_Samancii Whether millions is a finite number is irrelevant to the argument.

A created soul cannot simultaneously process millions of voices by its own capacity.

You need to show me verse from Quran that Allah allows this.

[Iso @ornen88]

@fw_bigdog I believe it takes anywhere from 6 months to 2–5 years to fully heal.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid The bottom line is you cannot produce that Quranic verse.

I laid out the exact argument showing how the Tashahhud violates Allah’s explicit command in Surah 72:18. You can dismiss it as waffling all you want.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid No need to evaluate whether I understand or not.

Just show me the exact Quranic verse that states it is permissible to invoke Muhammad or anyone else directly in the second person while performing a prayer meant 100% for Allah.

[Iso @ornen88]

@dawahrambo @ZouhairsMurid If istighāthah is directed to Allah, it is pure tawḥīd.
Shirk occurs when duʿāʾ or supernaturally framed help seeking is directed to a created being in a way that attributes divine powers to it.

I am talking about tashahud and not istighāthah, i missread your earlier comment.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid Could you now provide a verse from the Quran that states it is okay to address Muhammad or anyone in the second person while praying to Allah?

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid Shirk is the concept of idolatry, polytheism, or associating partners with God.

Now give me the verse that states you are allowed to invoke Muhammad directly while praying to Allah, and explain exactly why that doesn't break Tawhid.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid I am basing my entire point on the literal text of Surah 72:18. Since you claim I'm wrong, I am waiting for you to show me a verse that states you are allowed to invoke Muhammad during a prayer meant 100% for Allah.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid If being present everywhere across the universe and hearing millions of distinct voices at the exact same second isn't a Divine quality, then what is?

You are turning a human messenger into a cosmic, all hearing entity.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid Claiming Muhammad hears millions of Muslims reciting Tashahhud simultaneously across the globe assigns Omniaudience and Omnipresence to Muhammad.

Turning a human messenger into an omnipresent entity is Shirk, and it flatly breaks Allah's clear command in Surah 72:18.

[Iso @ornen88]

@dawahrambo @ZouhairsMurid It is still a form of Shirk when you break a ritual prayer meant 100% for Allah just to invoke Muhammad.

Even if your intentions are good, you are still actively breaking the absolute rule that Allah establishes in Surah 72:18 ("invoke NO ONE along with Allah").

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid Reducing Shirk to just "worshipping other gods" is completely wrong. Shirk as-Sifat means giving a creation Allah's unique attributes.Treating Muhammad as an omnipresent entity who hears millions of global prayers at once gives him a Divine trait. That is Shirk. Read Surah 72:18.

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid Show me a single Quranic verse that says you are allowed to invoke or address Muhammad during a prayer that is mandated to belong 100% to Allah alone.

Quran states: Surah Al-Jinn (72:18) "And the places of worship are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone."

[Iso @ornen88]

@ZouhairsMurid So you're a Muslim and don't realize that invoking anyone but Allah in prayer is Greater Shirk?

Even if you don't "worship" Muhammad, addressing him in the second person during Tashahhud is a direct invocation of a creation. That flatly goes against the Quran and Tawhid.