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@shadihamid It’s only a mystery if you genuinely think people arrive at their station in life purely as a function of total merit.

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@adamjohnsonCHI How can anyone still respect Taibbi? He doesn’t have even any claim to consistency, he would have called himself out here for obvious hypocrisy if this was 2019.

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@Sturgeons_Law Well you can’t argue it’s not Jewish or democratic!

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@souljagoyteller It’s ideological rigidity. Those people are as delusional as the worst of the Zionists, many imagine some magical scenario where they reverse time before Balfour.

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@ArmandDoma It’s not hard to believe in the sense you described, or the equivalent here with some Jewish Americans. And history has told us when push comes to shove, they pick America. What is hard to understand is the loyalty of complete outsiders like Fetterman.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar I don’t note the Palestinian threat! My point is the opposite, Israel can never maintain this position of perpetual hegemony, it is as doomed as Sparta. If they can accept (and they must) Turkish, Iranian, and Saudi ballistic missile arsenals, they can accept Ramallah’s.

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@KweenInYellow Forget anti Zionism being antisemitism, apparently Zionism is Judaism now. They’re more Jewish for supporting Israel than actual Jews now.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar I’m saying this is natural but also just a consequence of their exile. But Israel expects they will accept the Negev instead of the Jordan Valley as a compromise, that is what is lunacy.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Yes I do, do you not understand that this is the reality for all of Israel for all time? Do you imagine we can forever keep the Arabs, the Turks, the Iranians from having the ability to strike at Tel Aviv or Jerusalem? They already have it in fact!

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar The right of return is a prosaic concern that if you ask me still exists only because Israel (and the neighboring Arabs too lest you think I’m tribal or w/e) has ensured there is no place for them to otherwise go.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar That’s fine if you don’t think that of me but I don’t disagree with this. I just don’t think you’ve demonstrated that here of yourself, but I believe you nonetheless. It’s a microcosm of this whole situation, we have to assume mutual humanity despite not having the means to know.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar But to me that world means either coexistence or barbarism. And I don’t accept Jewish barbarism no more than I would accept Arab or German barbarism.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Yes I’m sorry but you have to grow up a little and engage with the perspective of even evil people. That is how a nazi might have described himself in 1929. But I’m American so I have >30 years to show you to say otherwise in my country. I also believe the last thing you said..

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar I think if you continue to think along this lines (which is absolutely not incorrect) you will understand what I’m saying here. It’s what you actually land on in terms of “other basis” that can go a few ways.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Your name and general language made me think likewise, but your response up here is literally framed in the Israeli perspective!

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar I am being up front with you, I am quite literally American and nothing else. What here doesn’t follow from that? If I have “tribal” animosities (and I won’t arrogantly absolutely deny the possibility of bias), it’s not against Israel.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Are you kidding? This was explicitly German policy.. the final solution was not in existence until 1941.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Yes you are right, that’s why I do not judge Israelis too harshly tbh. But if you understand this, then either you adopt the fascist will to power and eternal war, or you step back and risk coexistence on EQUAL terms. That last thing is the only thing we disagree on.

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@ReinceNiebuhr @JoshKraushaar Interwar German demilitarization did not last, could not last, and that led to utter devastation. Your literal position is that we can and will repeat that experiment and see a different result in Israel-Palestine.