@centre_right_ Some Reform people seemed a little equiviqual on whether vaguely paramilitary clad men shouting at the RNLI was a bad thing.
I don't think many reform-curious traditional conservative voters want their politicians to have any truck with that kind of thing.
@LukeTryl I don't think people are totally malleable to media messaging but the ambient noise of highest tax burden since the war, ballooning welfare bill, and 'the boats', does promote the idea that there's a simple, mostly painless route to lower taxes.
@LukeTryl The question is, what message could change this?
Because as long as voters continue to incorrectly believe median earners are highly taxed *and* want good and improving public services, there's going to be trouble for all politicians.
@Johnmcternan And many people who voted Labour were fed up with the state of public services.
The idea that a government could simply cut spending on a bloated state is fantasy.
@Johnmcternan It's all a bit odd... Does Haldane have a history of fiscal hawkishness? If he does then I don't remember it.
And the UK might be currently sensitive to higher taxes, and people might not want to pay anymore, but we are objectively not a high tax country.
@tc1415 I'm going for things best consumed at room temperature - brandy, whiskey etc.
It's difficult to stockpile ice cubes and I'd rather die in whatever the coming armageddon is than drink warm g&t.
@DPJHodges Where is this supposed to be going? Is there an expectation that voters will be persuaded that Andy Burnham is basically Hitler and consequently flock to Reform?
Not sure that's going to happen.
@Alex_Niven I did slightly wonder then thought maybe it's some kind of birthday reunion with some old mates from a cans of export and shots of green chartreuse time of life. It looks like a club though (i.e. a clerb).