@brittilina@_SoccerThoughts@ThomasEWoods@michaeljknowles I don’t see my views being challenged here. I am simply pointing out you can do your own research on the concepts I shared and honestly it’s probably better for you to do that than for me to use a limited amount of text to describe something that deserves more nuance.
@theGUdGinge@farmingandJesus You should have a grave reason to intentionally avoid conception. Grave financial hardship, mental health of the mother, lack of safe home for children etc. see CCC 2368. Grave reason is what Michael was referring to.
@APLMom@Shugyosha9 There are a lot of bad Catholics, a very sad thing. I think we have established we disagree; there is one moral truth regardless of what people (including priests) think. As Catholics we believe that is objective and knowable not hidden in the ocean of Protestant opinion.
@APLMom@Shugyosha9 The Catholic Church teaches clearly about abortion being a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance. Whether a bishop withholds communion or not does not change that. What the Church teaches about divorce is clear and I’m fairly certain he made it public he left the Church.
@APLMom@Shugyosha9 You are making it political; moral truth is truth regardless of whether we have a weak or strong ecclesial hierarchy. Catholic moral teaching is clear and consistent if one really wants to know.
@APLMom@Shugyosha9@JoshuaTCharles One of the great things about being Catholic is there is a clear line of authority that traces back to Christ through the apostles, so we don’t have to wonder about whose opinion actually matters.
One can live their life objectively and confidently for Christ.
@w_bitterman All Hallows eve and All Saints Day mark the dethroning in the most powerful way of the pre-Christ pagan powers and enthrones Christ and his Saints in their place.
On this, his feast day, I am so profoundly grateful to my Patron Saint, St. Ignatius of Antioch, for his role in my conversion to the Catholic Faith from protestantism.
A disciple of the Apostles, one of their successors (as a bishop), and a martyr, he opened my eyes to the reality of Apostolic Succession, the Real (and Substantial) Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the priesthood, the unity of the Catholic altar, and many other great and necessary truths.
To this day, I affectionately call him “St. Ignatius the Red Pill,” because despite the fact that I was not looking for the Catholic Church, he smacked me into reality very quickly, and inaugurated my journey into the writings of the Church Fathers.
The rest, as they say, is history!
This is a contra-dicta (a saying that is objectively and formally in opposition to itself).
The saying is that one is at peace with a God whom he disobeys. This is not the teaching of Christianity.
In order to test the formulation we can put it in terms of a positive claim and see if it is coherent.
“One is nevertheless at peace with the ruler, lord, King, master, or other legitimate authority whom he actively disobeys.”
This is your claim restated.
This is false.
Adding the caveat “but let’s obey him anyway” begs the question; why? The statement “because he commands us” or “because we love him” is again incoherent if obedience does not either break or restore peace.
Finally the words of Jesus our Lord condemn your contradiction by pointing it out unambiguously with the question, “why do you call out to me, Lord, Lord, but fail to obey me?”
To use your self-defeating formula we would respond by “pointing back at Jesus and saying,” (your favorite device) “because I’m trusting you.”This is nothing more than incoherent poison and would only produce a gobsmacked look of incredulity on the face of King Jesus.