@mythical_meier@ThinkingAtheist On the contrary, he wishes humanity would shift towards an ideology of humility, accountability and care. Recognizing our cosmic irrelevance forces us to look inwards and maybe we'll learn to appreciate the rarity and vulnerability of our world and ourselves.
@mythical_meier@ThinkingAtheist He has no intention of depreciating humans, but of denouncing anthropocentrism as a self-aggrandizing ideology. The idea humans hold the intrinsic worth of the universe is the inheret framework for justification of supremacy, exploitation and erasure of the "lesser then man".
@Futbollfan@aimieeee___ You state Satan derailed god's plan? And that god had no knowledge of it? Is Satan a blindspot? Is our free will a blindspot? If god knows all, he created me knowing I would not believe in him and that is part of his plan.
@Futbollfan@aimieeee___ But there is no surrendering to a god you don't already believe. How can I open my heart for a god I don't think exist? All the while ignoring the doctrine that states all goes according to god's plan and he knows all.
@mythical_meier@ThinkingAtheist Not size. Magnitude. It's an effective visual way to demonstrate that anthropocentrism is a delusion. It's easier to believe the universe was created for us if we don't realize the magnitude of our cosmic irrelevance.
@samueleyekosi Firstly we would have to establish we existed prior to observable reality. There are a lot of genuinelly entertaining myths and legends about this. And you can even choose to believe in some of them. If enough people share your imagination, we have a religion.
@FunWritings@aimieeee___ This is only "evidence" for god if you already believe in him. That's not evidence, that's bias confirmation. For those who believe in fairies, an abandoned trail in the woods leading to a secluded spring feels like evidence of a fairy lair. Would you accept their evidence?
@JMurchadha@TheExBeliever I'll study more. The fact morality, contrary to ethics, changes according to historic moments, religious beliefs, political perspectives etc., it's possible it cannot supercede a particular individual objetivity. I don't agree with it, but I'll revise it with an open mind.
@JMurchadha@TheExBeliever I'll concede it. Perhaps you're right. I'll go back to books about it later. Maybe morality is indeed objetive to you because of your religion, and maybe trying to philosofically standardize the traits of localized moral codes is paradoxical.
@JMurchadha@TheExBeliever Don't sweat it. It was a fair guess.
While we're at it. I firstly learned English reading classic literature, so I may sound formal or uptight, which many times translates as aggressive or arrogant. Not my intention. I'm actually a really calm guy who enjoys debating ideas.
@Futbollfan@aimieeee___ Also, if you truly believe in god, there is no choice but obedience. The alternative is eternal damnation. Theists are right to be terrified of that. Total free will, the type to give full autonomy of our bodies, is not a true choice in Christianity.
@Futbollfan@aimieeee___ That completely evaded the issue of god having prior knowledge to all things. How can men do anything out of god's design if god already knew what men would do before creating them? Everything I do is known by him since ever. So he created me knowing I would lack faith.
@Futbollfan@aimieeee___ How can it be the opposite of Man's original design, if god is all knowing? If god is omniscient and has the knowledge of past, present and future, everything happens according to his will. Including my lack of faith. He knew I wouldn't believe in him upon my creation.
@JMurchadha@TheExBeliever Oh, is that what "throwing our weight around" means? Just a few mean words?
And I can handle any mean word you throw, dude. I genuinely find it extremely amusing. I just stated that insults and personal attacks are not a good strategy of spreading your god's love.