@kimmonismus When u say ‘releases “concerning” self-improving’ it sounds like a negative connotation. Is your opinion on this particular topic bad or just poor word choice?
@AJChadha@gregisenberg Been doing this for two years now. Machine readability first then human consumption second. Agents plug away while human readers disagree or balk at the vision. Concepts become reality much faster.
Thank goodness. Hopefully it’ll be the end of IRBs in science/research. Visions we use to set out to accomplish are bureaucratically hampered by that slow a$$ process! Good riddance. I would trust Agents more than humans to be the IRB so long as those with IRB skills are NOT the ones to train the model.
@BrianRoemmele@grok@bot Does it have a category for “missing context” for any of the news outlets so patterns of repeat unethical behavior can be learned?
The loudest voices stoking fears about AI dangers have made tremendous headway in the past two weeks. AI technology has not taken some unexpected, dangerous turn, but the hype around it — propelled by what appears to be a well orchestrated PR campaign — has drummed up considerable fear. I worry that it represents a setback for our field.
I have written frequently that fears of AI are overhyped. AI’s capabilities can be uncannily human-like and unpredictable, and it’s rational to worry when people who are directly involved express concerns. But I see the problems as a sign of the engineering work that ahead, rather than insurmountable barriers or the sky falling. AI technology continues to advance — which is a good thing! — but technical advances, poorly understood by the public, give those who seek to generate hype repeated opportunities to do so.
First, I don’t see any step up in the risk of human extinction from AI compared to a few months ago. The theories about this remain the same fantastical, science fiction scenarios as a few months ago. The biggest change in AI risk is its cybersecurity capabilities — a topic which we should take seriously — but this, too, will not lead to the end of the world.
The most notable recent event leading to increased fear was when an OpenAI team deployed an agent swarm that hacked into Hugging Face. Much of the popular press contained significant hype. For example, some publications reported that a swarm of 1,200 agents carried out the attack. While this was technically accurate, as I write this, I have about 1,300 processes running on my laptop. Yes, the ability to get large swarms of agents to work in parallel on a task is a significant technical advance, And, in computing, many processes run at the same time. So this shouldn’t be seen as some magical capability.
Additionally, OpenAI’s buggy sandboxing and monitoring processes were key to enabling this incident. Fixing these bugs and putting in place improved monitoring would be appropriate fixes, not pausing AI. There are many well known ways to attack software systems. The main advantage of AI agents is that they are relentless. They will tirelessly try many tactics — and have the patience to chain vulnerabilities together — that previously would have taken an infeasible amount of human effort. But in the long term, I believe the advantage will lie with defenders (because they have more information with which to identify bugs, which they can fix), but the cyber-threat landscape has changed significantly. There are still bottlenecks to identifying and exploiting a vulnerability. AI agents still have to try a lot of things to see what works, and taking these actions takes time and might be detected by defenders. This is why, even though it is now easy to obtain versions of leading open weight models that have had their guardrails removed or weakened, so they will not refuse to try to execute cyber attacks, the world has not ended.
I am also concerned about the anthropomorphization of AI in a lot of reporting, where LLMs and agents are unnecessarily treated as if they were people. If I wield a hammer, miss a nail, and accidentally dent the wall, it’s not the fault of the hammer. The problem lies in how I used the hammer. Similarly, if I prompt an agent and it hacks into someone else’s system, the responsibility lies with me, not the agent.
Of course, we want to build systems that are as safe and predictable as possible. (For example, an unsafe hammer would be one whose head randomly flies off under normal use.) Today’s agentic systems are not predictable, but I see no reason why, by applying sound engineering practices, we won’t be able to make them extremely safe to use. One new element in the forecasts of AI-enabled doom is AI companies disclaiming responsibility for their own products. “I didn’t do it; my out-of-control agent did!” There’s a balance to be struck between the responsibility of the tool maker and the tool user, but when something goes wrong, let’s hold the people building and/or using the hammer responsible, rather than the hammer. (By the way, if you’re worried about AI bioweapon risk, David Bellamy has a great post on why this, too, is overhyped. Briefly, the bottleneck in building a bioweapon is not intelligence, but lab work and manufacturing.)
Pausing AI progress will create much more harm than benefit. First, our adversaries will certainly not slow down. Second, engineering requires discovering problems empirically so we can fix them. If we pause AI by a decade, we will also delay finding and implementing safety engineering fixes by about the same duration.
Of course, the incentive to stoke fears — for regulatory capture, to garner attention, or to make one’s technology seem more powerful — remains the same as before. Disclaiming responsibility is a new one. Taking a hard technical look at the actual risks however, I see little factual basis for the degree of fear that’s been stoked up. We still have hard research and engineering work ahead to improve AI safety, but the beneficial applications continue to vastly outweigh the risks, and we should keep building.
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@emollick I’d like it even better if Meta gave its end users the training data that originally built Muse so they can build a local model they control.
The fact that this person speaks in defense of Effective Altruism, given her background in unethical journalism, is all one needs to realize how wrong supporting EA is. We can only hope AI becomes smart enough to see through the smoke & mirrors. EA reminds me of the pronoun fiasco we r still digging out of.
@mark_k Try placing incidents, stories, ppl, orgs, etc associated to each category into its circle then create a Venn diagram to uncover the patterns. Better yet - have “AI” do it and BAM - there we find humanity’s rot. Don’t use Anthropic tools.
@kimmonismus No worse than what humans have been doing with Wikipedia these past ten years! Thank God they’re smarter than us. Perhaps Agents (whether OpenAI or in general) will fix why we’re at the cross roads we’re at right now with f*d up ideologies.
@garrytan All due respect, I would not cross-harness anyone’s, to include yours, memory maxxing across all AI ecosystems. Certainly worth trying but prefer a clean slate in some ecosystems.
This is over my head but I get the gist of what ur saying. RL is beautiful! Regardless of country, seems we’re witnessing rapid acceleration of AI so insane that it’s bringing humans together regardless of country. Competition between countries is a joke as are the attempts to regulate AI. When AGI/ASI is reached we won’t care if the U.S. or China “won”. I’ll take my tin foil hat off now.