As a gay Christian I do believe that God made gay people, I’ve wrestled with Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13. My take: the text was written by ancient heterosexual men in a patriarchal culture (male heterosexual aversion to male homosexuality played a role), and it was deliberately separating Israel from pagan temple practices that included male shrine prostitution.
Beyond that, the Holiness Code was about national survival in a high-mortality world—procreation mattered for covenant continuity. It upheld God’s creation order (male/female complementarity from Genesis 1–2), preserved honor-shame gender roles, and protected ritual purity so God’s presence could dwell among the people. Ancient authors didn’t have our modern concept of sexual orientation; they condemned specific male-male penetrative acts within Israel’s call to be visibly holy.
Additionally, I see why male homosexuality can trend toward higher promiscuity: two men lack the “gatekeeper” dynamic straight men face with women. Data from CDC/NSFG studies back this—gay men report significantly more partners on average (often 2–6× higher lifetime medians). Scholars like Roy Baumeister (Sexual Economics Theory) explain it: male sex drives are higher and less selective without that counterbalance. Post-Stonewall culture and apps like Grindr amplified it, though many gay men form stable, monogamous bonds.
This is why the David & Jonathan story resonates so deeply with us. Their soul-knitting love, covenant before God, loyal kisses and tears, and David’s line (“your love to me was more wonderful than that of women”) paint a beautiful picture of holy male commitment. It’s not explicitly sexual, but it models two men rejecting chaos and promiscuity, upholding covenant fidelity, and strengthening their nation—exactly the blessing I believe God honors.
What draws me even more strongly to the Bible is Jesus Himself. He embraced, interacted with, and forgave sinners in ways that scandalized the Jewish leaders of His day. Jesus never once condemned homosexuality itself. It’s reasonable to assume that “gay” men of that era—already rejected by their society—would have flocked to His message of radical love and grace. I can picture them finding forgiveness and peace by casting aside promiscuity in exchange for a covenant relationship with another man rooted in faithful, holy love—just as the gospel calls all of us to transformation.
Bottom line: Scripture legislates behavior for human flourishing in its ancient context. Orientation may be given, but we’re all called to faithfulness, self-control, and covenant love (Gal 5:22–23). David & Jonathan show that two men can love each other deeply, commit wholly, and be blessed. Jesus shows us how. Thoughtful faith means holding both the text and lived reality with honesty.
@Pony_WanKenobi@hokkori_buzz Seldom are you wrong about, well… anything, but here we are. You’re flat out wrong. Not just a little bit in error. I’m talking egregiously so. Crawl back into bed, think about what you’ve done, and start over.
It's the start of GAY PRIDE MONTH. As an older gay man I'm not proud.
My generation fought SO hard for assimilation, NOT distinction.
WE ACHIEVED IT.
We just wanted to have the same rights as anyone else. We wanted equality in the workplace, society, the right to marry, have children, families and be regular members of society after years of indescribable persecution, emotional and psychological damage.
WE GOT THAT.
No one cared anymore. We won.
Future generations destroyed everything we worked so hard to create for FOR THEM.
They alienated the public through their ridiculous antics and gender politics to the point that I would not be caught dead at a PRIDE event or associate myself with the rainbow flag, or anything to do with the
community they have hijacked.
I'm not proud. I'm ashamed.
You, spoiled, entitled pink and blue haired little pricks, with no concept or regard for history have annihilated all of our suffering and hard work.
You have nothing to be proud of and THERE ARE ONLY TWO SEXES.
DEAL WITH IT. @dnc@HRC@Pride@LGBAlliance_USA@lgbinternationl
6/6/26 is my 7th month of sobriety from alcohol.
Make a stand - draw a line in the sand - and stick with it.
I have been tempted but always mentally just say NO to myself, it's not even an option.
Never give in. Never let it take hold of you - you are ultimately in control, NOT your demons. YOU have the final word.
Is it easy? No, but it gets easier.
Is it fun? No, drinking and being a retard is fun, so stopping is difficult. Pick one vice to stop at a time, one is enough, for now.
I thought drinking defined my personality, my online persona, per say - it does not, it only got me in trouble. Drinking does NOT make you who you are.
Will you lose friends? Fun hangouts? Party time? Maybe - but if you do they were fake to begin with and worth your time.
Time is the only currency that matters. You are trading time / health / longevity for a few fleeting moments - You will definitely NOT look back and be glad you traded your time for some party time you probably don't even remember.
Do it for yourself; your loved ones; your health; to say 'screw you' to whatever has control over you.
YOU are in control. DO NOT LET THE ENEMY tell you otherwise!
Do whatever is required - me personally, I was able to just stop cold turkey - and I was drinking 1/2 a handle of vodka a day at the worst point. But most are not able to do this, and that's ok; It's different for everyone. Find a group, friends, a sponsor, whatever it takes to end the cycle.
You CAN do this. You SHOULD do this. You ultimately MUST do this, so start saving your life and time while you still have it to save. 🫶
I don't feel a need to be a part of a contrived community.
I am a gay, that is homosexual, those things are innate traits. Sex and sexual orientation are fixed. I'm over so 'trans washing' of gay history.
I am angry that the public conflates gay men and women with the lunatic Queer Marxists who seek disruption and destruction.