@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles We agree that the burden of proof falls to the accuser. Where we differ is in whether that is enough to make the claim that shes a liar, that she made the accusation out of regret, or that she is a whore
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles Yes but you claimed she brought it to light due to regret. Which is hugely ignorant of the reality of rape cases. Precedent is hugely important here.
If EM didn't want to pursue the case but was pressured into it, that is not evidence of anything other than the systemic flaws
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700 on and on and on.
Again, you've repeatedly used the same arguments that you were saying are fallacious when used to argue for the other side
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles You've missed the forest for the trees. My statement is clear. If the idea that 1 person doesn't get falsely convicted at the cost that 1000 guilty men go free, that means that there are 1000 guilty men walking free, regardless of whether you or I believe that the number is
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles EM almost didn't bring the accusation to light as rape cases are the single most underreported violent crime VS the idea that she brought it up due to regrets
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles Physical evidence is famously unreliable in rape cases.
Again, you're making a profoundly absolute statement and looking at how EMs claims changed while choosing to ignore the changing and conflicting claims of the accused.
It's far more likely, statistically and logically that
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles See, you're making extreme claims but advocating for leveled perception. "None of it rises to SA. Just bad decisions by everyone"
There you go weighing things more in favour of the outcome you believe vs the outcome you don't
You're doing the same thing you argued against
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles I believe in innocent before proven guilty in the eyes of the law. But we also need to keep in mind that the mindset of 1000 guilty men go free so 1 innocent man isn't incarcerated still means 1000 guilty men go free
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles One is far more heinous than the other
The reason why 1/4 women have been sexually assaulted when the vast majority of men aren't rapists is because a rapist will assault around 14 women on average before they ever face any kind of conviction
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles But let's not pretend that an acquittal is as damning for EM as a huge chunk of the hockey viewing public want to pretend. Especially with the increased coverage on all of the weird to downright horrible practices in hockey culture paints a very grim image
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles Winning the lottery. Don't hold up. Carter Hart is in the cup finals.
Dube isn't in the NHL (yet) but he's doing great in the KHL
Whereas EM is a pair of initials who is accused of being a "lying whore" by a huge portion of the public.
Sure, this case has defamed the 5
@Anth_Chatburn@McCartyDangles But the group chats have explicit messages where they say they discuss making sure they all tell the same story AND these chats were leaked by a fellow teammate who felt that an assault did take place here
Not guilty ≠ 100% guaranteed innocence
@AustinDoujin@GenesisBlueEvo@erykistired I was so relieved when he went back in and grabbed the stool. Once he sat down and looked at the stool, he had hard proof that he wasn't crazy for himself. Even if he explained it terribly to others