@iwsfutcmd What criteria would lead you to define Lisu as more SEA and Yi as less so? (This question sounds like a gotcha but I know very little and have only vibes to go on)
@iskdin Would it have undergone that same change with the /m/ right after it though? I imagine /aβm/ would be unlikely to change into /aγm/. Perhaps it went to a glottal stop first.
@oli_0331 There's a letter quoted in Empires of the Plain that touches on this, that many academics back then also resisted sharing what they worked on. I struggle with that myself too!
@pretentiouswhat Another marvelous thread. I spent a lot of time (relative to my baseline) in smaller cities in Sichuan this year. I visited one county-level city for the first time in seven years and it's basically just as you described the 3/4 tier ones, just on a smaller area.
@avzaagzonunaada @azforeman Can you do a recording of the way you do the Seoul contrast? I spent a year in Yogyakarta and took a few Javanese classes. I did a simple dental/retroflex contrast. Never spoke with any fluency but the teachers liked my pronunciation in the classroom at least!
@azforeman I may be just telling tales out of school, but I would be surprised to hear casual speech from millennials and younger in Seoul actually producing the distinction you see in textbooks.
@azforeman Are you sure you're not being misled by the difference between prescribed Korean and what everybody speaks in Seoul?
The "tense" ones are never aspirated, the "normal" ones are aspirated only word-initially, and the "aspirated" ones are always aspirated.
@speechleyish Whenever I hear about professors having this problem, I remember the shame I felt at 20 years old when the professor said "Raise your hand if you did the readings." (3/25 raise hands) "Okay. I'm not going to lecture if you're not going to do the readings." Class dismissed.
@egasmb I've had the interesting experience of watching Mandarin native speakers used to using English loans in their speech (beyond those mentioned in the article) speak with others who weren't. They pause, shift gears, and return to the topic with equal fluency using only Mandarin.
@maxdubler That's crazy how little it really is, it seems like new 400-700 unit complexes are going up everywhere now in the South Bay. Still a lot of room for improvement, I guess.
@orikron I'm really surprised I haven't heard this before. Do you know if there's any other source for this? It's so clear that I almost wonder if it's someone doing an imitation.
@djokerovic@orikron There is no real comparison with modern accents in England. The words are Mandarin but the tones, intonation, consonants, and vowels are almost all very different from Standard Mandarin. Kind of like a German person reading English very fluently with German spelling rules.