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[Key @realVonKey]

@vinsmxkepiece Clown, Haku VERBATIM confirms he was looking to cause mortal injuries, with the novel verbatil confirming he had killing intent vs Naruto and the guides confirming he had killing intent vs Sasuke. Your scans are not relevant. And Haku's word > Zabuzas.

[Key @realVonKey]

Debunking this trash RQ: Haku verbatim had killing intent as per Haku himself, the guides and the novel. Sasuke's statement does not have more weight than Haku's own words, and Zabuza's don't comtradict him having made up his mind on killing them.

[mas @vinsmxkepiece]

Naruto does not scale to Haku at all and was NEVER Light Speed during this arc.

First, to be clear, Haku was never trying or going all out from the beginning for either Naruto or Sasuke.

It was stated verbatim that he was conflicted from the very start.

[Key @realVonKey]

Haku notes*

[Key @realVonKey]

https://t.co/dkvHmaAj3G
Sasuke notes he uses mirror reflections to move, which are scientifically LS. His Chakra getting lower will not reduce the speed of a mirror reflection. You have 0 basis he gets slower, and in fact nothing in this statement outright confirms that.

[mas @vinsmxkepiece]

Not only that, but over time, his Chakra running out also shows that using Naruto as a basis to scale him to light speed isn't credible, since he is stated to get fatigued and slower by default.

[Key @realVonKey]

Madara: Gets a body thats FAR weaker than his original. Its a question of whether Kabuto's Chakra can close the gap. And the answer is no.Haku does not have the same level of nerf when given an average Shinobi's body since he wasnt THAT strong. So Kabutos Chakra can close the gap

[Key @realVonKey]

https://t.co/k5YFG4z8Kw

Summoning is confirmed to amp the being that is summoned, and Edo Tensei is a summoning. That means Edo Haku had the Chakra of Sage Kabuto.

[mas @vinsmxkepiece]

Now, if we were to move on to when Haku was reanimated, we extrapolate this logic and say that Haku was never faster or stronger than her original counterpart, but possibly weaker/slower.

And yet, characters like Teen Lee and Guy, Lee who has BLITZED Sasuke - the same Sasuke who you guys say is faster than Haku - gets reacted to by the very same (POSSIBLY) slower Haku when moving between her mirrors OFFGUARD.

Not only that, but Haku was still able to react to a massively faster and stronger Kakashi, as well as perception-blitz Sai, with her mirrors too.

The narrative indicates that all of them were going all out to avoid the death of their comrades.

[Key @realVonKey]

"but why was Madara weaker then!!!!"
Because Madara is so much above Kabuto that Kabuto's Chakra is a nonfactor. Also lets not forget the edo tensei bodies are NOT their original bodies. So Madara was in a much weaker body relative to his original. Haku wasnt.

[Key @realVonKey]

https://t.co/5QtZbum7TN

Edo Tenseis have different effects on different people. 2nd Tsuchikage was just as powerful as an Edo as he was when alive. This proves it's not a set nerf.

[mas @vinsmxkepiece]

We know that Edo Tensei counterparts of the characters do not retain their original strength when reanimated - they are slightly weaker / at most equal but never stronger than their original part.

This was not only highlighted by Madara but also by Tobirama and Hashirama themselves.

Tobirama stated verbatim that they've only been revived at CLOSE to their original power, with both only able to perform either 2 clones or a few rocks.

Madara himself says there's a reason why they can't regain their full powers, and it's because they're Edo's.

[Key @realVonKey]

@vinsmxkepiece This is so trash LMFAO

[Key @realVonKey]

@0relevance @FritWalid BTW assuming Jonin class Ninja are the average is insane. Especially Konoha's Jonin class, who can take on Akatsuki members. Each of which is said to be stronger than 1000 ninja, and Sasori having casually solo'd ninja nations by himself. Or BoP2 Sasuke in base soloing armies.

[Key @realVonKey]

@0relevance @FritWalid Already gave you the answer so maybe track and don't duck. The statement objectively only reffers to everyday ninja or else it wouldn't be dodged by Naruto. And base Sasuke > everyday Ninja. Even before training in the LoW he casually defeated 2 Chunin class Ninja.

[Key @realVonKey]

@nozxel19 Doesnt even start.

[Key @realVonKey]

@OxAbbe R0: Luffy
Stops at R0

[Key @realVonKey]

@0relevance @FritWalid "impossible to evade" is an exaggeration or simply talks about normal everyday Shinobi, seeing how Naruto on-screen evaded it.

Also the file just talks about the baseline speed of the Jutsu. Chakra amps Jutsu beyond their baselines. Doesn't mean it was LS when Madara used it.

[Key @realVonKey]

@amineorbit8 He did. He just trained and managed to improve. That's why in the War Raza says that Gaara is way stronger than Shukaku was.

[Key @realVonKey]

@0relevance @FritWalid There's consistency. Pre-Chunin Exams Naruto overpowers Sulen who is stated to be able to move at LS.

Lee and Naruto both blitz their shadows in the CEs.

Random Ambu is stated to strike at LS in the CEs.

Kid Naruto is stated to have surpassed Haku's mirror movement.

[Key @realVonKey]

@TanFooLy @MajikTayuya The worlds being unstable and fragile is LITERALLY engraved into your cosmology and the very premise of the show. Soul reapers wouldnt even need to exist if the worlds werent paper-fragile. 🤣

[Key @realVonKey]

@amineorbit8 1. Bee has never truly fought Minato.
2. It was a Jonin Minato to begin with, not prime a HokagebMinato.
3. Probably.
4. Even if you consider their encounter a full-on fight, we don't know the circumstances, and Minato could just have been weakened from other battles in the war.

[Key @realVonKey]

@Ohirume02 And BTW funny how Minato casually throws a Kunai faster than Raikage moves

[Key @realVonKey]

@Ohirume02 A teen Minato survived a 100% Kurama's Biju Bomb qnd countered it with a Rasengan. Raikage is getting one shot