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@TotalPhilo I am both at the same time

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital School analogy isn’t good because students don’t inherently have an incentive for good grades minus social pressure / parents.

I think the world would be better if it was was run for and by the people

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital The common good is not an abstract being enforcing its will, it is the emergent incentive/demand of all those in society.

The decisions founded through the emergent democratic process will end up being the collective will of the people.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital It was the advice every person of the younger generation were given.

The economy is failing because people don’t have enough money to stimulate the economy but capital has become strong enough to ignore the pressure to fold in.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital That’s not decentralized, thats just chaos. I don’t want to revert back to a lawless, governments, no rules world.

Think of how those supporting feudalism often thought those fighting to create the republics of today were just trying to end the idea of civilization itself

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital It’s incentives. It’s the incentive of capitalists to use their wealth to move the state toward their side. It’s the incentive of politicians to side with capital that will get them re-elected.

It’s not about good or evil, it’s all about the incentives a system has

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital Yes. There shouldn’t be class.

Statistically speaking most people stay within the class they were born in.

Young people were promised if they went to college and saved they would at least be able to move out / have a frugal life and were met with a collapsing economy

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital A) value is derived from how much one can sell their labor to a capitalist. So perhaps indirectly yes, but I mean for it to be directly for the whole of society

B) why do you think those politicians did that? It is due to capitalists wanting that result.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital -will create a culture where one's value is based on their contribution to society.

One a systematic point, ones own standard of living is directly linked to the common good; so it is in ones incentive on a personal level to ensure the public good in a collective system.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital They do! Capitalism / Profit is not the only way to have incentive structures.

The idea one bases themselves only on their own personal value is a capitalist invention, to detach yourself from community / the whole.

A society built around make the whole better-

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital I agree! But that isnt a quirk of the system, I'm saying that capitalism inherently WANTS a state to use to prop themselves up.

We live in a society built for the bourgeoise/owners, I believe it should be built for the people.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital I think currency itself is a "middle man" that I agree basically is used for power/control.

Ones vote is your "currency"

From your end it would basicaly be requesting what you want then communities & delegates will organize what is to be made & distributed.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital To respond to all three posts under this one: The abolishment of the state is not an abolishment to order, organization, or administration.

Instead of a monopoly of violence given to a single entity (the state), we decentralize it to the people

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital A) that ignores how corporations use their wealth to stop competition, monopolies, etc.. You can say the gov makes that possible but my point is capitalism inherently uses the state.

B) Socialism is about giving production to the people, not to a state.

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital I dont disagree with that concept! Marx(ists) agrees that capitalism was a good development and its more decentralized decision making structure is good.

It however overtime becomes more and more centralized around growing corperations/players as you mentioned

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital People would vote not in every possible decision, but in the decisions they themselves take part in.

A person would vote in their workplace, city, community, etc decisions. A decentralized network. Word limits can let me give a full detailed description but I can rec some books!

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital No. It would be free association of producers/workers organized together.

The people themselves choose and plan. We essentially cut out the middle man of capitalist and money to create a system even more decentralized in decision making then capitalism is

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital I mean yeah, Marx himself called for the abolishment of the state.

Rule from the bottom up.

I urge you to read how marxists critiqued the USSR in its own time for creating a far too centralized state

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital I’m not saying that’s incorrect, I’m saying that it ignores how wealth disparity gives more of a vote to wealthy people.

The vote of a guy making 100k a year has more of a vote then the one making 50k

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@danthemanisin @Liberty17768 @beyond_capital I agree both parties are proxies of the interests of business. But that’s not a malfunction, thats always been the goal. Companies want a state to exist to enforce their own control over the working class