@DougGoodin Revelation 3:5 promises Christ will never blot out the overcomer’s name; it doesn’t say the elect lose salvation. The warnings are means God uses to preserve His people. Scripture holds both: perseverance matters, and God preserves His elect (John 10:28–29).
@kippstr@CherylSchatz Acts 4:27–28 explicitly says Herod, Pilate, Gentiles, and Israel did what God’s hand and plan predestined. James 1:17 says God isn’t the author of evil, not that He doesn’t ordain all things. Distinguishing God’s decree from His commands doesn’t divide His character.
@kippstr@CherylSchatz You’re conflating God’s decretive will with His preceptive will. God’s commands and desires aren’t always fulfilled by creatures, but His eternal purpose never fails (Isa. 46:10–11). Distinguishing God’s will isn’t heresy; Scripture itself does so (Deut. 29:29).
@kippstr@CherylSchatz A word needn’t appear in Scripture for its doctrine to be biblical. Scripture teaches God works all things according to His will (Eph. 1:11), and His counsel stands (Isa. 46:10). The question isn’t whether the word appears, but whether the doctrine does.
@Be_Like_JChrist Calvinism isn’t another gospel. Scripture teaches election (Eph. 1:4–5), regeneration by the Spirit (John 3:3–8), and faith in Christ (Acts 16:31). Regeneration doesn’t eliminate faith; it explains how spiritually dead sinners come to believe (Eph. 2:4–9).
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 God must be loved above all because He is supremely worthy as our Creator and highest good (Matt. 22:37). And reason doesn’t disprove desire-driven choice; it informs our desires and weighs competing desires. You choose what you most want given your judgment of the options.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 I deny it because Scripture distinguishes loving God from loving sin—not because I’m dodging your argument. You’ve shown people can choose between competing desires, not that fallen people naturally desire God above sin. Address Romans 3:11 and 8:7.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 Seeking God would fit that category if fallen man desired God above all else. But Scripture says the unregenerate mind is hostile to God (Rom. 8:7) and no one seeks God (Rom. 3:11). The issue isn’t ability to choose, but the desires governing the choice.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 Every example proves my point. You acted on a desire you valued more: love, duty, or another’s good. You didn’t act contrary to your strongest desire; your competing desire became dominant. Choosing against one desire isn’t choosing without acting on your desires.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 God created man upright, but Adam’s fall brought sin and corruption (Rom. 5:12). God decrees whatsoever comes to pass, yet sinners willingly love darkness (John 3:19). Their inability is moral, not coercive; they sin by choice, not compulsion.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 God created man upright, but Adam’s fall brought sin and corruption (Rom. 5:12). God decrees whatsoever comes to pass, yet sinners willingly love darkness (John 3:19). Their inability is moral, not coercive; they sin by choice, not compulsion.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 David, the analogy fails because Scripture doesn’t command fish to walk on land. God commands sinners to repent, and they willingly refuse. Moral accountability concerns their culpable desires and choices, not whether they can act contrary to their nature.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 David, the cow analogy fails. Humans are moral agents who reason, deliberate, and act according to their desires. Scripture holds sinners accountable for willingly doing what they desire, not for failing to act against their nature. Where does agency require libertarian freedom?
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 Agency is the capacity to act intentionally according to one’s own will and desires. Your definition assumes independence but never establishes it. Agency requires genuine, voluntary choices- not the ability to choose contrary to one’s desires or circumstances.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 David, your analogy fails. A child’s limited judgment doesn’t prove that moral responsibility requires the ability to do otherwise. Scripture holds people responsible for acting willingly from sinful desires. You’re assuming your definition of freedom rather than proving it.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 David, “choose” and “hardened your heart” establish agency, not libertarian freedom. Acts 2:23 says Christ’s death occurred by God’s definite plan through lawless men. You demand “God decrees immoral acts” while ignoring texts uniting divine sovereignty and human guilt.
@golfnpreacher@BradLeeUndrgrnd@Soteriology101 David, I never argued foreknowledge alone requires decree. You’re attacking a claim I didn’t make. The question is whether Scripture teaches God merely observes a fixed future or sovereignly ordains it. You’ve assumed the former; now exegete it.