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@Issacc2k02 @isitwokeornot @IvanMunguia_ @CultureCrave "Black Cat" isnt even in The Batman, retard. Also if you meant Catwoman, "since the 60s"? or you mean Blackwashed once in the 60s and never again till 37 years later? Lmao dumbass

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@Ethanol04_ @BodegaManSaveMe @DeepWithoutDeep

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@imCaRNaG3 @JesseKansi83960

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@niballata @Ashsh178545 @samotubi @Victor5a3nx @SrFreezr @akimbokuujo ...when "minorities" somehow become the majorities

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@Idkwherethedogs @BuckyDillinger @denzel27565 "Not everyone is trying to debate you" you mean LITERALLY nobody could even after they've attempted haha ⬇️

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@Idkwherethedogs @BuckyDillinger @denzel27565 "Not everyone is trying to debate you" you mean LITERALLY nobody could even after they've attempted haha ⬇️

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@Idkwherethedogs @BuckyDillinger @denzel27565 Blindly repeating the exact same claim I already addressed in an earlier reply doesn't make it valid.

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LOL so being upset about a change to a established character's race is automatically racist now? What exactly makes it racist? Disliking that change isn't prejudice against Black people. OP's image says "I will not be replaced". It's objecting to the replacement of her established portrayal. Where does that express looking down on, hating or being prejudiced against Black people? You're treating criticism of a raceswap as proof of racism without showing any.

And since you're so quick to accuse racism, look at what DC has written about White people.

In The Batman (2022), Selina calls Gotham's powerful men "white privileged assholes", including Bruce Wayne. Imagine her calling wealthy Black men, including a Black Bruce Wayne, "Black, privileged assholes". Would you consider it racist then?

In Peacemaker, Jamil tells Peacemaker to watch White people more closely, and Peacemaker jokes about trusting White people less and killing a higher percentage of them. Imagine Jamil telling him to watch Black people more closely, followed by Peacemaker announcing he'll "trust Black people less and kill a higher percentage of them", and it's treated as funny. Would you consider it racist then?

In Harley Quinn, Catwoman criticizes an award ceremony as driven by "white guilt" while pointing out the award is named after "a white dude". Imagine her dismissing that same ceremony as driven by "Black guilt" while pointing out its namesake is "a Black dude". Would you consider it racist then?

In that same series, Joker dismisses the Court of Owls as "old, straight, white dudes jerking each other off". Imagine him dismissing an organization of powerful Black men as "old, straight, Black dudes jerking each other off". Or "old, gay, Black dudes" if we reverse the sexuality too. Would you consider it racist then?

Frank calls Batman the "walking definition of white privilege." Imagine him describing a Black Batman as the "walking definition of Black privilege". Would you consider it racist then?

DC's OWN editorial comments call Gentleman Ghost the "undead embodiment of 21st century white privilege." Imagine DC describing a Black character as the "undead embodiment of 21st century Black privilege". Would you consider it racist then?

The originals come from actual DC productions. The Black versions are reversals.

So this is hilarious: DC can write jokes and insulting remarks about White racial identity while also changing established White portrayals, yet being UPSET about those racial changes is racist? These jokes only get this bad toward the race whose established characters they majorly swap.

Would you consider those reversed statements racist? Would you defend them as harmless jokes or social comments? Or would the racial references suddenly become a serious issue? Answer the reversals or drop the accusation.

Your argument that most superheroes are defined by character rather than race proves nothing about whether criticizing a raceswap is racist. It only explains why you think the change doesn't matter. An established trait doesn't need to drive the plot to be worth preserving.

What does Superman or Iron Man staying unchanged have to do with anything? How does another character keeping their original portrayal show that criticizing changes to Selina Kyle is racist?

Selina Kyle has predominantly been portrayed as White since her 1940 debut. Preferring that established portrayal is not the same as prejudice against Black people.

So instead of throwing around accusations of "racism" explain what specifically about wanting to preserve Selina Kyle's established race shows prejudice against Black people.

"Most superheroes aren't defined by race" isn't evidence of racism. "Superman and Iron Man haven't changed" isn't evidence of racism. Being upset about a creative decision involving race isn't automatically evidence of racism. You've explained why you don't think the change matters. You've done nothing to show why someone who DOES is racist

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My bad I should've checked the cite named "year gap of blackwashed Catwoman after Eartha" lol. Obviously AI would have to check whether there were any in between. Cites don't point out literally everything...

Also if there's any factual error other than the 3 episode line, since it was actually 5, prove it.

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@RayRupnow22934 @Kittenwaffin Tyronavirus

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So these insults of yours also apply to those who forced the race change too, not just those who criticize it right? Or do they only apply to one side just like majority of raceswaps and the racist jokes DC makes?

Also you still dodged the question, unsurprising given how many others did too though

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@_Odyss3us @BuckyDillinger @denzel27565 "You guys try dodging so much, it's genuinely strange but it tracks given you literally have nothing that backs up your claims lol"

3rd time I've said this now, and your replies just keep proving this point haha

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> "doesn't make you smart nor your argument valid"

This coming from the same guy who openly admitted he didn't even read the argument he's calling invalid lmao

And once again do I have to repeat that you literally criticized your own proven to be inaccurate version of what I said, repeated a point I already addressed and now you're hiding to focus on the use of a "chatbot" instead of identifying a SINGLE error in Grok's analysis of your replies, cause as I literally said before: "You guys try dodging so much, it's genuinely strange but it tracks given you literally have nothing that backs up your claims lol" Also gotta love how this is only getting further proven with each reply you make

Also using ai to phrase my own points and question and expose what's obviously innacurate in yours doesn't make the facts or reasoning invalid. So if Grok got something wrong earlier then why don't you point it out?

Or are you just irritated you're getting exposed so easily which is why our stats are currently like this? ⬇️

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So you said you refused to read any point made despite coming back 10 hours later and making 3 replies to my 2, then you literally criticized your own inaccurate oversimplified version of it..?

And ontop of that you literally just blindly repeated the exact same thing about personality over race that I already addressed in the reply you refused to read: "An established trait doesn't need to drive the plot to be worth preserving"

Also, notice how after all this time and returns you still haven't refuted a SINGLE thing I actually said rather than what you (for some reason) said on your own?

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@FrmNGGStoGODs Good luck lmao

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@RichardBrogm2g @BuckyDillinger @denzel27565 Insults, looping claims already proven to be irrelevant, then dodging right after getting exposed for it, compared to literally just fact backed criticism. Now guess who's who...

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@rozaveil @BuckyDillinger @denzel27565 You dumb bitch dc has a whole multiversal ever character have different versions of themselves different time lines and universes

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You refused to read it cause you couldn't counter a thing... then you called me a child and told me to "grow up" while saying "widdle feelings" and "oops". Your profile picture is Steven Universe, you post about Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon. It's hard to believe I'm getting told to "grow up" by you lmao

That aside, the "world not revolving around" me doesn't make the change beyond criticism. Not being the "target audience" doesn't make the criticism invalid. And not "owning the source material" doesn't mean established portrayals can't be criticized. None of that answers ANY of my points.

You guys try dodging so much, it's genuinely strange but it tracks given you literally have nothing that backs up your claims lol

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> "Then you shouldn’t care if she appears as black, Latino, Asian in a few series, right, hmm?"

No. Her established portrayal can remain the majority and I can still criticize a change to it. I never even said the original timeline was replaced or that other versions can't exist. An established trait doesn't stop mattering just because it's kept elsewhere. A change happening in only a few series doesn't put it above criticism.

> "Whats your issue with more diversity and representation for a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and lowering those statistics to 90%?"

Being fictional doesn't put changes to decades of established character traits above criticism. People criticize changes to fictional characters all the time. Why should her established race be an exception? Creators are free to change a character. That doesn't mean the change is better or that objecting to it is unreasonable

If diversity is the goal, why not create original Black characters and develop them instead of changing established ones? Both options can exist. Also, literally this entire thread has been dodging this question, lol. I still don't have to prefer changing an established portrayal over keeping it. You're treating my objection to that choice as being against representation itself. Those aren't the same thing and you haven't shown why you're treating them as the same. Preferring to keep an established portrayal doesn't mean Black characters shouldn't exist or that other versions should be banned

And even if I accept your 90% example, what does that prove about whether a single change is better than keeping the established portrayal? You're arguing that the original would remain the majority. I never disputed that. What makes criticism of a specific change unreasonable then? A trait can be worth keeping without driving the plot. Staying true to her established portrayal is itself a reason to prefer keeping it. This isn't simply about people having different preferences. Her original portrayal has decades of established history behind it, and changing it is a departure from that history. Saying "people prefer different things" doesn't answer why preserving that established portrayal shouldn't carry weight. That doesn't mean every other version has to be rejected or that keeping the original automatically comes before everything else. You haven't shown why staying true to her established portrayal isn't a good enough reason to prefer keeping it.

> "Are you that petty and narcissistic?"

Narcissistic for wanting an established character's portrayal kept?? What exactly about that shows narcissism? Lol, you haven't pointed to anything I've said that supports the accusation. White to Black raceswaps already are the majority in DC compared to Black to White. There's literally nothing outrageous about preferring an established portrayal. There's literally nothing outrageous about keeping the established portrayal.

You've given your reasons for not caring about a few changes. That doesn't explain why I shouldn't care or show that keeping established character traits has no value. You also haven't explained why creating original characters isn't a valid way to add diversity

The original existing elsewhere doesn't make it petty or unreasonable to criticize a change.

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LOL so being upset about a change to a established character's race is automatically racist now? What exactly makes it racist? Disliking that change isn't prejudice against Black people. OP's image says "I will not be replaced". It's objecting to the replacement of her established portrayal. Where does that express looking down on, hating or being prejudiced against Black people? You're treating criticism of a raceswap as proof of racism without showing any.

And since you're so quick to accuse racism, look at what DC has written about White people.

In The Batman (2022), Selina calls Gotham's powerful men "white privileged assholes", including Bruce Wayne. Imagine her calling wealthy Black men, including a Black Bruce Wayne, "Black, privileged assholes". Would you consider it racist then?

In Peacemaker, Jamil tells Peacemaker to watch White people more closely, and Peacemaker jokes about trusting White people less and killing a higher percentage of them. Imagine Jamil telling him to watch Black people more closely, followed by Peacemaker announcing he'll "trust Black people less and kill a higher percentage of them", and it's treated as funny. Would you consider it racist then?

In Harley Quinn, Catwoman criticizes an award ceremony as driven by "white guilt" while pointing out the award is named after "a white dude". Imagine her dismissing that same ceremony as driven by "Black guilt" while pointing out its namesake is "a Black dude". Would you consider it racist then?

In that same series, Joker dismisses the Court of Owls as "old, straight, white dudes jerking each other off". Imagine him dismissing an organization of powerful Black men as "old, straight, Black dudes jerking each other off". Or "old, gay, Black dudes" if we reverse the sexuality too. Would you consider it racist then?

Frank calls Batman the "walking definition of white privilege." Imagine him describing a Black Batman as the "walking definition of Black privilege". Would you consider it racist then?

DC's OWN editorial comments call Gentleman Ghost the "undead embodiment of 21st century white privilege." Imagine DC describing a Black character as the "undead embodiment of 21st century Black privilege". Would you consider it racist then?

The originals come from actual DC productions. The Black versions are reversals.

So this is hilarious: DC can write jokes and insulting remarks about White racial identity while also changing established White portrayals, yet being UPSET about those racial changes is racist? These jokes only get this bad toward the race whose established characters they majorly swap.

Would you consider those reversed statements racist? Would you defend them as harmless jokes or social comments? Or would the racial references suddenly become a serious issue? Answer the reversals or drop the accusation.

Your argument that most superheroes are defined by character rather than race proves nothing about whether criticizing a raceswap is racist. It only explains why you think the change doesn't matter. An established trait doesn't need to drive the plot to be worth preserving.

What does Superman or Iron Man staying unchanged have to do with anything? How does another character keeping their original portrayal show that criticizing changes to Selina Kyle is racist?

Selina Kyle has predominantly been portrayed as White since her 1940 debut. Preferring that established portrayal is not the same as prejudice against Black people.

So instead of throwing around accusations of "racism" explain what specifically about wanting to preserve Selina Kyle's established race shows prejudice against Black people.

"Most superheroes aren't defined by race" isn't evidence of racism. "Superman and Iron Man haven't changed" isn't evidence of racism. Being upset about a creative decision involving race isn't automatically evidence of racism. You've explained why you don't think the change matters. You've done nothing to show why someone who DOES is racist

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LOL so being upset about a change to a established character's race is automatically racist now? What exactly makes it racist? Disliking that change isn't prejudice against Black people. OP's image says "I will not be replaced". It's objecting to the replacement of her established portrayal. Where does that express looking down on, hating or being prejudiced against Black people? You're treating criticism of a raceswap as proof of racism without showing any.

And since you're so quick to accuse racism, look at what DC has written about White people.

In The Batman (2022), Selina calls Gotham's powerful men "white privileged assholes", including Bruce Wayne. Imagine her calling wealthy Black men, including a Black Bruce Wayne, "Black, privileged assholes". Would you consider it racist then?

In Peacemaker, Jamil tells Peacemaker to watch White people more closely, and Peacemaker jokes about trusting White people less and killing a higher percentage of them. Imagine Jamil telling him to watch Black people more closely, followed by Peacemaker announcing he'll "trust Black people less and kill a higher percentage of them", and it's treated as funny. Would you consider it racist then?

In Harley Quinn, Catwoman criticizes an award ceremony as driven by "white guilt" while pointing out the award is named after "a white dude". Imagine her dismissing that same ceremony as driven by "Black guilt" while pointing out its namesake is "a Black dude". Would you consider it racist then?

In that same series, Joker dismisses the Court of Owls as "old, straight, white dudes jerking each other off". Imagine him dismissing an organization of powerful Black men as "old, straight, Black dudes jerking each other off". Or "old, gay, Black dudes" if we reverse the sexuality too. Would you consider it racist then?

Frank calls Batman the "walking definition of white privilege." Imagine him describing a Black Batman as the "walking definition of Black privilege". Would you consider it racist then?

DC's OWN editorial comments call Gentleman Ghost the "undead embodiment of 21st century white privilege." Imagine DC describing a Black character as the "undead embodiment of 21st century Black privilege". Would you consider it racist then?

The originals come from actual DC productions. The Black versions are reversals.

So this is hilarious: DC can write jokes and insulting remarks about White racial identity while also changing established White portrayals, yet being UPSET about those racial changes is racist? These jokes only get this bad toward the race whose established characters they majorly swap.

Would you consider those reversed statements racist? Would you defend them as harmless jokes or social comments? Or would the racial references suddenly become a serious issue? Answer the reversals or drop the accusation.

Your argument that most superheroes are defined by character rather than race proves nothing about whether criticizing a raceswap is racist. It only explains why you think the change doesn't matter. An established trait doesn't need to drive the plot to be worth preserving.

What does Superman or Iron Man staying unchanged have to do with anything? How does another character keeping their original portrayal show that criticizing changes to Selina Kyle is racist?

Selina Kyle has predominantly been portrayed as White since her 1940 debut. Preferring that established portrayal is not the same as prejudice against Black people.

So instead of throwing around accusations of "racism" explain what specifically about wanting to preserve Selina Kyle's established race shows prejudice against Black people.

"Most superheroes aren't defined by race" isn't evidence of racism. "Superman and Iron Man haven't changed" isn't evidence of racism. Being upset about a creative decision involving race isn't automatically evidence of racism. You've explained why you don't think the change matters. You've done nothing to show why someone who DOES is racist