Lord Grom

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[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@_InTheFilth @Alex_Ortodoxie @TheOtherPaul2 The substance ie loss of independent apostolic governance is what matters, not the differing “mechanisms” or outcomes. It's like installing a weaker alarm and saying it's great cause thief can break in without triggering alarms. That's ridiculous

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@_InTheFilth @Alex_Ortodoxie @TheOtherPaul2 Lol this just begs the question on what is schism and what is fidelity
Your position reduces to: “It wasn’t schismatic because our framework didn’t call it schismatic.” A stronger ecclesiology would have clearer safeguards against tyrannical overreach, not greater tolerance of it

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@_InTheFilth @Alex_Ortodoxie @TheOtherPaul2 Henry’s break = new church.
Peter’s reforms were an internal power grab that warped Orthodox structures without "breaking" communion. It's hypocrisy in EO polemics: Western state churches are schismatic heresies; Eastern ones are regrettable but still Orthodox. It's caesaropapism

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@_InTheFilth @Alex_Ortodoxie @TheOtherPaul2 Being able to absorb abuse rather then going full schism is not a great thing it only means that the institute is more open to political capture. @TheOtherPaul2 critique lands because of different frame works for instance

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@_InTheFilth @Alex_Ortodoxie @TheOtherPaul2 But hey let's only use it as a argument as EO but not apply it for us. It's not a honest way or could be interpreted as selective way at looking at history. This is awfully like online Muslim who start crying orientalist when others use hcm on them but used on others

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@_InTheFilth @Alex_Ortodoxie @TheOtherPaul2 Abolishing the Patriarchate, installing lay control, and subordinating the Church to the Tsar was a structural cataclysm
Saying‘it remained Orthodox’ is no better than Catholics saying the papacy ‘withstood’ its own scandals during Renaissance lol

[The Other Paul @TheOtherPaul2]

Henry VIII: Calls himself "head of the church," seizes the monasteries, directly subordinates church affairs to the state.

Sorin: That's schismatic!

Russian Tsars: Call themselves "head of the church," seize the monasteries, directly subordinate church affairs to the state.

Sorin: That's diffwent because Tsar wasnt a church office while English king was (which I made up from zero evidence); also Tsar was only a FIGURE-head (which I also made up and is not in the legislation).

I'd say they aren't sending their best but, well, they actually are 💀

This and more to be refuted at length in near future content.

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@MakiTheSalafi https://t.co/Wl72EcUIfo

[Alfredovich @Alfredovich65]

Fyi, the book you're posting is terrible and mostly ignored by scholarship. It's just Maccoby's speculative fiction, not backed by any real evidence. See this scathing review: https://t.co/oZxHGa7gWO

[Alfredovich @Alfredovich65]

Fyi, the book you're posting is terrible and mostly ignored by scholarship. It's just Maccoby's speculative fiction, not backed by any real evidence. See this scathing review: https://t.co/oZxHGa7gWO

[Newguyplaying2 @2ndguyplaying]

@dmontetheno1 @Rurouni_Phoenix Are you actually serious? That is a comment in a list of comments and it isn’t even a highly upvoted one.

Are you this desperate to show that AQ is a biased subreddit?

[Rurouni_Phoenix @Rurouni_Phoenix]

This tactic has been used by countless critics of the subreddit in order to make it look bad by screenshotting low quality posts and comments to act like that is representative of the whole. It is a bad tactic because it is like Christians seeing Muslim extremists commiting

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@X10hanah @Rurouni_Phoenix So when all the evidence points against you and presented as is. Then they have agenda? A secular could point that out and you would accuse him of the same by that argument

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@beckevangelista @JayDyer They all need daddy dyer rather then think through the argument themselves its really pathetic

[Lord Grom @SaintTeemo]

@beckevangelista @JayDyer Lmao i challenged Nikolai to go through debate with me on icons and for https://t.co/Xke9LyFI8X bring up Alex strongest argument.

Guy rage quitted after pointing out Alex went on tangent.

[The Other Paul @TheOtherPaul2]

They have that error, correct. We have a paradigm that can tank this error without breaking our ecclesiology, whereas the East completely collapses if error becomes common enough (hence the need to invent just-so stories after the fact).

"Judgment over" in the same way he attacks us for; our mere use of "private judgement" to discern the truth of Scripture is treated by your team as an assertion of authority in itself, rather than a passive discovery of truth. That is why Fr. Dcn. Ananias, in the clip I played, spoke even of "Sola Patristica," where it's illegitimate even to hold one's leaders to the standards of the fathers, because now you're using "private judgement" over them.

So, apply that to Ben, then; he is using his private reading of ancient and more recent conciliar documents to declare that Bishop X and Patriarch Y is heretical. IOW, he is inconsistent.

[The Other Paul @TheOtherPaul2]

A summary of Cleave to Liquity and Alex Soyin's slop response:

- Cried about me being wacist.

- Consistently invented claims I never made.

- Refused to understand my very clear words that *plenty* of viewers understood the first go around.

- Coping about his sect's ecumenism by claiming *official on the ground policy* is just "non-binding ecumenical dialogue," and still acting like he (a layman) has the right to judge ecumenist bishops as wrong.

- Completely skipping my response to his Henry VIII claims and then complaining that I never addressed the issue of Henry declaring independence from Rome (which I literally discussed in the part they skipped).

- Coped about Tsarist Russia by repeating that the Patriarchs accepted Peter's reforms, when I myself pointed out how that means Cleave is accusing his own church of approving of schism, since he claimed Henry's actions as such created a new Church (and not, as he lied about, that he merely meant Henry's separation was schismatic; we all saw the clip).

I cannot wait to make the next response to this 😎 Ben has really just shown how intellectually incapable he is.

[chonkshonk @chonkshonk1]

"chonk bad has been noted by Van Putten. If you want people to take your sub seriously.... "

I have a good relationship with Van Putten and he's a mod on our sub! He and other academics take it seriously. Cant believe some of what this guy writes.

https://t.co/eYltk4JisN