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@AaronBergman18 Oh I’d love a link!

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@EneaszWrites @AaronBergman18 “But I did eat breakfast!”

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@pedfel @mattyglesias

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@cloudsfables @dystopiabreaker @AaronBergman18 I think all of those things except maybe emergencies work great

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@steady_drumbeat @simone_m_romeo @NathanpmYoung I think the principal reason people are “unaware” of this is that it isn’t true

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung I think it goes without saying that I think the antebellum US and the British mandate had ~nothing in common

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung Who’s supposed to be the British empire or the UN in this comparison?

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@simone_m_romeo @NathanpmYoung @steady_drumbeat i.e. Israel has taken significant steps to prevent a Palestinian state, and also the Palestinians and allied nearby Arabs have taken significant steps to prevent and then try to end the Israeli state

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@simone_m_romeo @NathanpmYoung @steady_drumbeat 1 leaves out very important context and is too sloppy with the terms Palestinians and Israelis, making the truth value ambiguous
3 is clearly false on a literal level (lots of things in Israel’s power haven’t been done) and also ignores that its opposite is true

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung Note that this is not a claim that both narratives are equally true. I’m also not claiming one is truer than the other, that’s a hard question that people can reasonably come to different conclusions about and it’s unlikely we’ll convince each other

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung The entire issue here is that neither people’s narrative is wrong and if you attempt to just assert one as exclusively true by selectively choosing which facts to incorporate then you will have an incomplete and biased historical understanding

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung Also, your statement about “the Palestinians” and “the Israelis” was too vague/broad. Some specific claims consistent with this broad statement are true, some are disputed. It’s important to be clear because people communicate using terms like these for different purposes

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung If you interpret what happened in 1948 as just “these people got kicked off this land,” you will have an accurate partial description of some events, but you’ll have a very poor understanding of the history

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung Obviously to some extent OP was an exercise in trying to isolate specific facts stripped of some of their context, but some things are really messy and difficult to understand properly or even misleading to present in isolation

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@simone_m_romeo @NathanpmYoung @steady_drumbeat There’s some truth to all of these, but not enough that I would endorse 1 or 3 as written. 2 I agree with

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@steady_drumbeat @NathanpmYoung I believe these are in reference to your three missing items. He’s saying “Israelis kicked Palestinians off their land” is contested

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@AaronBergman18 @wairhund Spot on