@BredBoy01 When reality is that the more free is the market, the more free are labor relationships. The more "pure" is the capitalism, the more free is the worker-capitalist relationship.
Plus, he was wrong with capitalism supposed progressive catastrofic fate.
@BredBoy01 I'm aware of that, it took me like 2 years to fully read and comprehend it, but at the end my conclusion is that Marx was wrong with capitalism nature, he blamed capitalism for many state privilege issues and saw the ownership of Mop as inherent exploitation
@BredBoy01 Like half in a row, and then skipped through the index to the pages that were more interesting to my doubts but ended reading it almost entirely, if not completely through a long time span xd
@BredBoy01 Mmm no... I'm actually from the medical field haha and that would be viceversa: corruption is the symptom, politicians are the viruses, and constitution, democracy and law are the inmune system 😂
@BredBoy01 That's like killing people in order to prevent them getting infected by viruses. I'd rather get rid off those politician viruses than the ones who create wealth.
@BredBoy01 I read Marx that's why I can keep up with such a specific and technical debate, but I think it lacks of consistency and relies on inventing terms like new value or living labor to operate in a closed ideology. Anyways, I think he set up the bases for social conquests like holiday
@BredBoy01 That's why having a liberal direct democracy and an efficient political system is CRUCIAL. If you control politicians, you control corruption and hence you control state lobbies.
@BredBoy01 Althought value can be 1.50$, companies play with benefit margin and capital management to compete trying to defend their own interests. Thats how market and competition is made.
@BredBoy01 That's like comparing socially necessary time with a slightly higher price: you buy it more expensive than in other places depending on marginal value and price elasticity. You could say that value determines prices, and prices depend also in capital management for eg
@BredBoy01 I could selfishly want to stay in a house that every citizen is paying via taxes and not me, but if everybody did that we would all end paying the full value of our own houses. And BTW, again you are pointing at statism problems, not something inherent in capitalism
@BredBoy01 The value is determined by market, not by the owner of the machine or the person who puts a sign with a random price. The value is determined by market. 1$ and 1,50$ and both be above or under market's real value
@BredBoy01 That wasn't a conflict of interests, but literal exploitation. Servants didnt have a real compensation for their work, neither were equal legally to landlords. Also, there was not freedom of choice or free market at all. It's not the same, capitalism isn't illegitimate
@BredBoy01 Potential value is created in production process, but final value is defined by market as value is not entirely objective but mostly subjective.