Sarth

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@aryaismm what were the approx population of IVC at a time peaks, lows?

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@aryaismm @yajnadevam it’s very important to trace rigvedic tribes migrations out of india/Indus-Sarsawasti if happened.
talageri’s hypotheses are really strong

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@aryaismm @yajnadevam steppe population may have been primitive nomadic tribals and hence these I-Ir group of people ran over them and mixed.
later their mix breed also became nomadic, spread all around and of whom some raided india in multiple waves, giving IVC aryans steppe admixture in later era

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@ahindu_ @Raucheyaa which Manu btw? Vaivaswan?

and is the Manu of Manusmriti same person as Vaivaswan Manu?

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@Earlhastings1 @huvishka123 it seems like after initial proselytization of vedic religions in post rig vedic period, many diverse ethnic groups from all over India became dwijas, for a hefty long period. dwijas really aren’t from one ethnic group.

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@ShafeeqTurab @asuraonthehill still there're a lot of smoke about it's dating, ethnicity who brought it up, for now we can say IVC people and their elites after fall of IVC gathered their tribes and started forming vedic culture around indo-gangetic regions between the era of approx 1700-1100 BC

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@ShafeeqTurab @asuraonthehill rise of brahmin class, oral tradition made it possible for the vedic people to preserve rigveda, which was truely excellent

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@ShafeeqTurab @asuraonthehill they never called themselves pamiris or central asian, only thing they remembered was brahmvarta origin/ sapta-sindhu-saraswati region

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@ShafeeqTurab @asuraonthehill and vedic high culture originate from the society of aryans (likely the IVC elites) and commerners IVC+more AASI.
everyone were more civilised than many other tribes of other regions of that era, hence vedic society and culture is of Indo-aryan mix origin, not just aryans.

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@ShafeeqTurab @asuraonthehill kurus ancestors were likely from brahmavarta region/ sapta-sindhu region. but proper brahminical vedic high culture originated around kuru-pancal region, hence indo-gangetic origin

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@Dhanurdharaya @sahasrabuddhi every single person in the world carries one this identities,
whichever is their primary identity or say common identity of their parents is their jati by birth

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@Dhanurdharaya @sahasrabuddhi it is more like this,

kul = lineage
gotra= clan/village
sub caste = tribe
caste = ethnic group
hindu = ethno cultural and religious group
state/regional identity - ethnolinguistic group
indian = of indian subcontinent origin

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@asuraonthehill tho earlier saka in sakdwip during period of mahabharata period followed four fold varna system same as indo-gangetic kuru-pancal

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@asuraonthehill so by the time of indo-greeks, saka admixture they would surely see their offspring people who had likely fallen from vedic fold as shudras, and their newly arriving non vedic population as mlechhas

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@PajeetControler @RestThakur although what we call AASI could be of many ethno linguist groups of pre-historic age.
and possible that elam like people or proper neolithic iranian groups of farmers who created were dravidian as of what you call them of proto-caucosoid origin i guess

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@PajeetControler @RestThakur AASI were likely pure dravidian, initially when IVC collapsed they IVC-AASI mixture happened for many hundred years, in post vedic age as well, but due to high and dominant presence of Dravidian people in south languages remained dravidian