@FrazerKirkman@DennisMJordan I understand that the claims Christ made seem radical and weird. I wouldn't defend the claims except for the fact that I think that He did in fact resurrect after dying. I think there is much credible evidence to back it up. And I believe the people who died for that event.
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@FrazerKirkman@DennisMJordan Eternal separation from God is probably quite painful and desolate. Worse than life on earth. Jesus Christ claimed to offer eternal life with Him in Heaven through Baptism, the sacraments, and faith. My entire belief is based on whether or not He resurrected. I believe He did.
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@FrazerKirkman@DennisMJordan Yes. "The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs." CCC 1035
This is not very comforting, but Jesus Christ does offer us eternal life, which is exciting.
@SoliDeoGloria_X Hello sir, can you please explain how you know that there is no salvation in the Roman Catholic Church? I would greatly appreciate a response.
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole I appreciate the very kind response. On account of my own reading of the Scripture, the writings of the early Christians, and the very ancient and enduring practice of the Church's Eucharistic celebrations, I trust the Catholic view on the Eucharist.
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole Amen. I may be a Catholic, I just don't think it is appropriate to say that I am in a cult when I am mostly asking questions. My question is whether I should believe Luther's, Calvin's, Ignatius', your, or any other view about the presence of Christ in the Eucharist and why?
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole I am considering your words and the words of Scripture. Based off of Scripture by itself, multiple views on the Eucharist seem plausible. I do trust the views of early Christians and the Apostolic tradition a good bit, I must say.
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole Sir, I have mostly been asking questions in this exchange, I don't see why I should be described as being part of a cult. My question is this: why should I believe your view of the NT's words regarding the Eucharist, and not Luther's, Calvin's, Ignatius', Justin Martyrs', etc...?
@trodtroll1967@JoelMCurzon Part 2 was replied to your previous reply. It is not Aquinas' 4th way, it is Ed Feser's version of Thomas' Essence/Existence argument. Here is the link to the book. The argument is the 4th chapter.
https://t.co/nBdkHTsTyC
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole Luther, Calvin and early church fathers made their claims based on their interpretations of Scripture. They would not claim that they are going beyond the text. And you are making your claims based on your interpretation of Scripture. So why should I believe yours and not theirs?
@kojoseii@JoelMCurzon Well, if someone claims or implies that God does not exist, it seems fair to ask them to explain how they reasoned to such a conclusion. I can explain why I think that God exists if you would like.
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole 2... The interpretation that there is certainly no real presence, whether spiritual or substantial, in the Eucharist just seems unlikely to me. Your thoughts?
@TestByTheWord@HoldenCCole 1... It seems that one has to read into Paul's words here a bit to come away with this interpretation. Many early Christian writers, along with Martin Luther and John Calvin, all held that there was at least some real Spiritual Presence in the Eucharist.
@trodtroll1967@JoelMCurzon This surely is how many see it. But, if by good philosophical reasoning someone came to the conclusion that God exists, this conclusion would not be disproved by the existence of unnecessary suffering.
@needGod_net What if you witnessed Jesus Christ resurrect as a 1st century Jew? Would that be good enough evidence to become Christian? Mass-witness events have to be legit at some point, right?